Inter-Pub -Cup QUALIFIERS!

[tfeilding]

Thanks to all who were involved with organising the day and especially Paul. I was with the Bristol Pub Team in Dursley and somehow we managed to sneak through. Most of the other teams had double our starting stacks on the final table but our boys (and girl) played like troopers - plus it helped catching KK vs 1010 and AA vs 99.

Anyhow - I look forward to the final. It's going to be a cracker.

[bigbeam]

Well done Paul for running the event and trying to keep the peace while the landlord was pulling his best Psycho Pearce face. Apparently some people need a reality check on what this league is supposed to be about.
Have a good one in Vegas Nick, and whatever you do, don't forget to say raise!

[Gus Mango Fish]

Originally Posted by DonkBox

Oh forgot also thanks to Paul the TD for making a decision that was a 'sensible' one in my opinion.
It was my fourth raise in a row yet only now was my betting 'technique'(I threw all my chips in one fluid motion, betting 850 - a tri colour bet, not just an oversized chip) being questioned. The lady to my left, Charlotte i believe, was certainly entitled to question it as one of the plights of the LPL is that different pubs have different interpretation of the rules, but why not question it the first time i raised?

Anyway water under the bridge, bring on the final.

What was the decision in the end? For those that don't know (obviously Nick does), the standard rule is that the bet is a raise if you throw more than 1 chip into the pot. If you just throw one chip into the pot, then it's a call regardless of the denomination of chip used.

Sounds like the atmosphere was painful lol. How can a landlord with limited poker experience have the balls to disagree with a poker expert? It would be like me telling Phil Ivey that he's making a call when he ships all his chips in because he didn't say "raise". Ridiculous.

Anyway, thankfully our venue ran without a hitch. The atmosphere was excellent, even with the crazy shouting from some of the teams (It's usually me lol, so I'm not complaining!).

Great game, great fun

Thanks to everyone who helped run the events, and to all those who took part, for making the event a memorable one.

I still can't believe we managed to donk off a 20k+ chip lead (versus two minnow stacks) on the final table to bubble it!!

[DonkBox]

Originally Posted by Gus Mango Fish

What was the decision in the end? For those that don't know (obviously Nick does), the standard rule is that the bet is a raise if you throw more than 1 chip into the pot. If you just throw one chip into the pot, then it's a call regardless of the denomination of chip used.

Paul phoned Mike and I believe Mike ruled that it should have been a call, yet Paul ruled it as a raise, everyone folded I won the pot. The level ends I apologise to landlord, saying, 'it might be an LPL rule but it's certainly not a universal rule or a rule in any casino i've ever played in'

He then tells me to go to any rules site and i'll see that he's right! Then he says that he'll bet me that he's right (he obv hadn't been watching us play Bournemouth roll), I take out my wallet and say 'i'll take that bet' and explain my reasoning, mentioning amongst other things that i've played tournaments where the TD has been Jack McCellend, WPT, GUKPT etc and this has never been the case. All the time i'm getting interupted by him and the regulars (Bigbeam aka Jon will confirm) and we're basically going round in circles and i'm being drowned out and he's spouting 'your wrong, your wrong,' it's at this point I decide to walk off, safe in the knowledge i'm right.

At this point he decides to 'take me outside' (sending someone else to ask me btw) and I apologise for swearing but stand my ground as i know i'm right. Being the 'big man' he refuses my apology, at that point i'm thinking gfy and stand and nod reasoning this is probably my most -ev move.

During this time I miss our team taking a time out and Mike calling Paul back to say i'm right. So i guess he got owned right?

Strangely the landlord never comes up to me to tell me that he's sorry he got it wrong and that i was in fact right! And i never heard any more about that bet either.

What the landlord didn't realise i think was that he massively insulted me by insinuating that i didn't know a fairly basic rule of poker (one you learn after you make the mistake once), as it's fairly crucial to my job that I do. Not only that he was insulting people like Jack Mcellend and other TDs.

[Gus Mango Fish]

Originally Posted by DonkBox

Paul phoned Mike and I believe Mike ruled that it should have been a call, yet Paul ruled it as a raise, everyone folded I won the pot. The level ends I apologise to landlord, saying, 'it might be an LPL rule but it's certainly not a universal rule or a rule in any casino i've ever played in'

He then tells me to go to any rules site and i'll see that he's right! Then he says that he'll bet me that he's right (he obv hadn't been watching us play Bournemouth roll), I take out my wallet and say 'i'll take that bet' and explain my reasoning, mentioning amongst other things that i've played tournaments where the TD has been Jack McCellend, WPT, GUKPT etc and this has never been the case. All the time i'm getting interupted by him and the regulars (Bigbeam aka Jon will confirm) and we're basically going round in circles and i'm being drowned out and he's spouting 'your wrong, your wrong,' it's at this point I decide to walk off, safe in the knowledge i'm right.

At this point he decides to 'take me outside' (sending someone else to ask me btw) and I apologise for swearing but stand my ground as i know i'm right. Being the 'big man' he refuses my apology, at that point i'm thinking gfy and stand and nod reasoning this is probably my most -ev move.

During this time I miss our team taking a time out and Mike calling Paul back to say i'm right. So i guess he got owned right?

Strangely the landlord never comes up to me to tell me that he's sorry he got it wrong and that i was in fact right! And i never heard any more about that bet either.

What the landlord didn't realise i think was that he massively insulted me by insinuating that i didn't know a fairly basic rule of poker (one you learn after you make the mistake once), as it's fairly crucial to my job that I do. Not only that he was insulting people like Jack Mcellend and other TDs.

Wow, can't believe that happened. Disgraceful behaviour, I guess fueled by one too many shandy's?

Is it correct that the Dursley Inn is going to be under new management from today? If so, that's a good thing. The league could do without that sort of thing.

Mike told me he had texted back saying it was a call, so I told him to text again saying it's a raise (which it is obviously). I'm surprised there's anyone who doesn't know this rule. It's one of the very first things you learn playing live poker - that and string betting.

[Raiser]

Originally Posted by DonkBox

Paul phoned Mike and I believe Mike ruled that it should have been a call, yet Paul ruled it as a raise, everyone folded I won the pot. The level ends I apologise to landlord, saying, 'it might be an LPL rule but it's certainly not a universal rule or a rule in any casino i've ever played in'

He then tells me to go to any rules site and i'll see that he's right! Then he says that he'll bet me that he's right (he obv hadn't been watching us play Bournemouth roll), I take out my wallet and say 'i'll take that bet' and explain my reasoning, mentioning amongst other things that i've played tournaments where the TD has been Jack McCellend, WPT, GUKPT etc and this has never been the case. All the time i'm getting interupted by him and the regulars (Bigbeam aka Jon will confirm) and we're basically going round in circles and i'm being drowned out and he's spouting 'your wrong, your wrong,' it's at this point I decide to walk off, safe in the knowledge i'm right.

At this point he decides to 'take me outside' (sending someone else to ask me btw) and I apologise for swearing but stand my ground as i know i'm right. Being the 'big man' he refuses my apology, at that point i'm thinking gfy and stand and nod reasoning this is probably my most -ev move.

During this time I miss our team taking a time out and Mike calling Paul back to say i'm right. So i guess he got owned right?

Strangely the landlord never comes up to me to tell me that he's sorry he got it wrong and that i was in fact right! And i never heard any more about that bet either.

What the landlord didn't realise i think was that he massively insulted me by insinuating that i didn't know a fairly basic rule of poker (one you learn after you make the mistake once), as it's fairly crucial to my job that I do. Not only that he was insulting people like Jack Mcellend and other TDs.

UL WP GG.

Good job it wasnt me cause someone annoys me like that and i would have made one swift motion with my arm and accumilated all of the chips together in a pile....called the guy a ***************************** and ran like the clappers, LOL.

Ps...Our venue was much more civilised (!)

[welshdemon]

Yes the decision was final,I had made the ruling that the raise would be allowed but asked if people could state their intentions from then on for the sake of the peace. Everybody kindly agreed and the game continued. As Nick said, it was about his 4th raise in a row, probably why people werent too happy about it, as opposed to the manner in which he put his chips in.

Unfortunately heated discussions carried on about 15 minutes later, after the players had switched I believe, which was when the landlords partner took a disliking to me, I think for saying "Nick was right". Maybe she thought i meant he was right to tell the landlord to fo, hmm I rule in Nicks favour again on this one, somebody had to tell him to stfu! landlords, know your place!

I dont see why so many people had to make such a big thing of it. I guess people just want to win, get swept up in it all and forget that its meant to be fun, throw in a drunk emotional landlord and there we go.

Anyhow, well played on the final table Bath. Lots of nice raising, oops, am I allowed to say raise when im not in a hand?

[duke2]

I was there in Dursley on Sunday and I am supprised that so many poker players don't know how to tell the truth! LOL.

Yes the league is all about fun and it shouldn't get too serious, but when the rules clearly stated on the website that:-

" No string bets. A player must state their intentions [Call, Check, Raise] before placing chips in front of them. If you do not state raise, any chips placed on the table will be assumed a call. Any extra chips will be returned to your stack. "

regardless of whether or not this rule is enforced in any other tournement or casino is besides the point as this WAS the rule displayed on the website as of YESTERDAY. Please see link below to read for yourselves! (thanks to google for page caching!!!)

Poker.co.uk Live Poker League

This has since been updated, no doubt to the disagreements that happend on sunday, but thought that I should post the old rules (that were still in effect on sunday) as it proves that the landlord was indeed correct as per the rules stated by the league.

furthermore it is unfair to state that the landlord does not know what he is doing as he plays in the league regularly, and is probably one of the players with the most wins.

this shouldn't have got out of hand however, and despite this incident the day was enjoyable.

[welshdemon]

Yes I know what the rules say, but depends where you want to draw the line. What about when players throw in chips without saying raise but say an amount. Strictly speaking, this would be against the rules, yet everybody does that and were yesterday. Nick had been doing the same thing over and over and gained no advantage whatsoever, if he had I would probably have ruled differently. The complaint was taken on board as I requested that all players clearly state their intentions from then on.

I thought it was a fair decision, but some people wouldnt let it lie which is when it became a problem.

[Gus Mango Fish]

Originally Posted by duke2

I was there in Dursley on Sunday and I am supprised that so many poker players don't know how to tell the truth! LOL.

Yes the league is all about fun and it shouldn't get too serious, but when the rules clearly stated on the website that:-

" No string bets. A player must state their intentions [Call, Check, Raise] before placing chips in front of them. If you do not state raise, any chips placed on the table will be assumed a call. Any extra chips will be returned to your stack. "

regardless of whether or not this rule is enforced in any other tournement or casino is besides the point as this WAS the rule displayed on the website as of YESTERDAY. Please see link below to read for yourselves! (thanks to google for page caching!!!)

Poker.co.uk Live Poker League

This has since been updated, no doubt to the disagreements that happend on sunday, but thought that I should post the old rules (that were still in effect on sunday) as it proves that the landlord was indeed correct as per the rules stated by the league.

furthermore it is unfair to state that the landlord does not know what he is doing as he plays in the league regularly, and is probably one of the players with the most wins.

this shouldn't have got out of hand however, and despite this incident the day was enjoyable.

It says above that the landlord asked Nick to check any rules site. I have never seen a single rules site that states it the way written above.

I guess the landlord should have explained his reasoning in a lot more... errr... reasoned manner, rather than going off on one as it sounds like.

In the end a ruling was made by the TD, and the TD's decision is final whether or not you agree with it. IMO, it sounds like a very sensible decision was made.

If the TD made the decision that Nick's raise was indeed a call, I'm sure Nick would have accepted the ruling and not gone postal.