Mike keeps removing threads he dosen't like

[DonkBox]

Originally Posted by tinlid

Not sure if i have my facts right on this one, but i was told one of the winners is a semi pro / sponsored player. I know its a live free league open to anyone and amateur isn't mentioned in the title but still I'm not sure how i feel about that one!!! If it is true what does everyone else think???

You're correct you don't have your facts right on this one. As Alex B posted below i'm far from professional and even further from semi-pro - although we can all dream. Statistically i'm far from the best player in the Bath region let alone the South West - i finished 13th in the 3 month league (and there were at least 3 players with better averages) and have never got anywhere near a final table at the monthly finals.

Confusion arose because i work for a poker magazine and got bought into an event in Aruba where i happend to cash.

If you need any more evidence check out my pokerdb results - hardly enough there to live on.

thepokerdb

thepokerdb

[tinlid]

Well please except my apologies!

I never did say i knew for sure, as it was a member of the Southern league who told me you were. I didn't know if you were or not that's why i asked on here if it was true. Even if you were it wouldn't bother me that much!
You played really well.
Cant wait until i get to face you over a table.
Good luck in Vegas!

Tinlid

[tinlid]

Tinlid said "but what you are not taking into account is that we was asked to make a sacrifice. That sacrifice entailed a 2 day stay in a hotel, a 7 hour round trip drive, and a day off work. This was accepted on the basis that the venue was "PERFECT".


NO I DIDNT!


ALEX B SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THIS.
Edit:your correct Tinlid it was a quote from ED i am sure it was a simple mistake, as Alex was quoting from both you and Ed's previous posts

[Alex_B]

Originally Posted by tinlid

Tinlid said "but what you are not taking into account is that we was asked to make a sacrifice. That sacrifice entailed a 2 day stay in a hotel, a 7 hour round trip drive, and a day off work. This was accepted on the basis that the venue was "PERFECT".


NO I DIDNT!

ALEX B SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THIS.

Tinlid; sincere apologies for getting the name wrong... I don't blame you not wanting to be associated with the ridiculous comment above..... In fact, that the gem of a quote above should be credited to........ Ed.....

[Bobby82]

I am from the South West and came 8th and stayed for the entire day, and I have to say that I think the issues over the weekend been exaggerated in the posts that have been made but that some points are fair.

a) I totally agree that better food should have been at the venue - to be honest, I don't think a MacDonalds down the road is good enough as an option - I wasn't that bothered about it (despite it meaning i missed my blinds once when i was getting food) but I agree that this was not acceptable at an event that lasted 12 hours.

b) Mike did well to prepare the games the night before and (please note) with all the chips he had available - some side games for people who went out early. I have no qualms with anything to do with the venue, apart from the food.

c) The references to the power station outside are just absurd because I dont see how that makes any difference when you are sat inside a room all day!! Its not like we were there for the view out of the window is it!

d) The location of the place was an fair issue to be commented on - I don't see why it being in Didcot helped anyone - we may aswell have held it somewhere in the South West because it was no closer for the Manchester players to go to Didcot and we would all be more than happy to go up to Manchester for the next final.

All in all i agree that the day wasnt 'perfect' and that some of the Manchester players put a lot out to come down to Didcot over the weekend and did expect everything to be a little better BUT... as lots of people on here have pointed out, we play for free, have a great laugh, have made lots of friends out of it and were offered about the best prize going so i think it is over the top for people to be giving the kind of abuse to Mike that he has been getting.

Some people have been annoyed that their posts were deleted and are now trying to make a coherant argument rather than ranting and raving - if they had just done this in the first place the argument wouldn't have even started!

I hope that there is no bad blood at the next final and thanks to Mike and all at Poker.co.uk for providing us everything they have over the last few months.

Bobby

[The Hat]

"You lost because there was fluff on the table - hmmm, I can see how that would have affected you game, it must have been very difficult to concentrate on your cards with the distraction of green fluff on the table"

i witnessed several times when players went to muck their handsthe cards got caught in ripples in the unpinned cloth and flipped over. So........ using shite pieces of cloth effect the game. Case and point

[Ed!]

Originally Posted by Alex_B

You seem to think that us Southerners jumped out of bed at 11am on Sunday, drove 4 minutes up the road and suddenly arrived at the Towers!!!!!

It takes 2 hours to get there from Bath and when you add the cost of a hotel in Didcot - you paid hardly anything more than us. So please stop using that as an excuse for everything. If there is a next time, we will be more than happy to travel up to you, we don't mind paying for a couple of nights in a hotel, especially when you look at the prizes on offer.

Tinlid said "but what you are not taking into account is that we was asked to make a sacrifice. That sacrifice entailed a 2 day stay in a hotel, a 7 hour round trip drive, and a day off work. This was accepted on the basis that the venue was "PERFECT".

You accepted this sacrifice??? To kind I'm sure. No, what you accepted was a seat in a tournament with a 1 in 120 chance of playing in the wsop. I certainly don't believe you made any more of a sacrifice than any other person who made the effort to play in the event; southern or Northern.

If you felt the distance was too far then no one forced you into your car and onto the motorway. No one made you drive to Didcot. You were there for the same reason as everyone else; because you wanted to win that seat!! Its already been stated that you would have held the game in a car park if you had needed to. So I would have thought a warm room with a bar (which we had) would be a vast improvement on the car park!

"And no its not free. Please understand that the league is a commercial entity. In that we are the customers, we pay for its very existence".

I'm at a loss to understand how you come to the conclusion that the LPL is not free for you to play in and that you somehow keep it afloat. You go to the pub and you play poker, no one charges you anything to play the game - if you don't want to spend money you sit and drink water, the amount of money you spend in the pub is totally up to you. What you're doing is effectively nothing more than going down the pub for a drink with the added bonus of a free game of poker that could possibly earn you money or prizes at the end of the month. So please forgive me if I don't declare my unreserved thanks to you for keeping the LPL afloat.

"Use decent tables, it does effect the game"

You lost because there was fluff on the table - hmmm, I can see how that would have affected you game, it must have been very difficult to concentrate on your cards with the distraction of green fluff on the table......

"Look at what was promised, and look at what was delivered. It not even close".

Are you serious with that comment or were you actually having a laugh at this point? Tell me what actually was promised to you then. Because as I recall:
You were promised an event where you would get top play for a seat in wsop - that's what you got.
You were promised a warm venue with a bar - I believe I saw a bar there.
You were promised there would be a tournament on Saturday evening - I recall playing in it.
You were promised cash games and STT's when people went out of the main event - Blimey, we got that as well!!!!
You were promised sandwiches on the day - oh!! You've got me there...... lol

So please tell me what promises you feel were reneged on? What were you promised that you didn't actually receive? Because as far as I can see, everything that was advertised, was delivered. I definitely recall 3 seats being given away at the end of the evening - AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT WAS WHAT WAS PROMISED. Evidently you did not like the location, the venue, the food, the Saturday tournament, the structure, the blinds, the starting stack, the payout or the £1 rake, but none of that equates to broken promises on Mike's or anyone elses part - I'm afraid it just equates to you expecting way too much from a FREE poker league that's giving you a FREE chance to pay in the wsop.

"I think your loyality to the league is admirable, but you are defending the indefensible".

It's not a question loyalty, its a question of expectations. You're playing in a FREE poker league, you're playing for a FREE seat at the wsop and you complain about having to travel 3 hours to play in the game - its a good job you didn't win because as far as I know, the wsop isn't being held in Manchester this year, and heaven forbid you'd have to travel!!

Finally, I'm defending something that doesn't really need defending, but definitely doesn't deserve the slating its receiving from what I can only assume to be a bad loser..... (I base that statement on the fact that I have not seen one critisising post from any of the three winners), who as far as I remember all played under the same conditions that you did.

One thing I do know is that The League will continue to go from strength to strength - if you feel that Mike mislead you and told you lies and that you no longer wish to play in LPL then you don't play in it, it's as simple as that. But I guarantee that for every one person who decides not to attend the LPL after this, there will be 5 people more than happy to take your seat.

Alex

Edit post has now been corrected thank you for pointing that out Ed.

[Ed!]

Originally Posted by The Hat

"You lost because there was fluff on the table - hmmm, I can see how that would have affected you game, it must have been very difficult to concentrate on your cards with the distraction of green fluff on the table"

i witnessed several times when players went to muck their handsthe cards got caught in ripples in the unpinned cloth and flipped over. So........ using shite pieces of cloth effect the game. Case and point

We had 3 miss deals during the first 3 hours. By my experience thats more than usual, and these were all caused by the cloth/disintergrating cloth.

And thats not to mention, the shear tackiness of it, I suppose its one mans opinion of perfection compared to another. As is often said; you bring your standards from home to work!

[Alex_B]

"The venue is perfect.... location not so great, but with venues almost impossible to come by then i think "as you already say" players won't mind making the trip to play in a tournament where they get a chance to win a seat in the WSOP".

I think you may want to consider reviewing your comments Alex.


You're going to have to point out where the word "sacrifice" was used in that statement, as I can't see it I'm afraid...........

My friend, if you're going to try and argue a point, you should really to try and make sure you have a point in the first instance.

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by Ed!

We had 3 miss deals during the first 3 hours. By my experience thats more than usual, and these were all caused by the cloth/disintergrating cloth.

And thats not to mention, the shear tackiness of it, I suppose its one mans opinion of perfection compared to another. As is often said; you bring your standards from home to work!

I played last night and had we had 3 misdeals in the space of 10 minutes nothing to do with the table or cloth just someone struggling to deal.

And on that note:

i have listened and heard all the comments made throughout this thread and will take onboard any improvements that i might need to make at the next Finals, but i think now the thread has run its course.

Thanks you for all your comments i am now going to lay this thread to rest.