Poker etiquette???

[Emceehamster]

I think a chip fine is the right option. But, for what infringements?

Re picking up mucked cards, or not putting them in the muck pile to begin with.

Holding cards beneath the table.

Mis Dealing.

How about a 100 chip fine, or after chip up whatever the smallest chip is.

[DonkBox]

Originally Posted by Emceehamster

I think a chip fine is the right option. But, for what infringements?

Re picking up mucked cards, or not putting them in the muck pile to begin with.

Holding cards beneath the table.

Mis Dealing.

How about a 100 chip fine, or after chip up whatever the smallest chip is.

Exactly there are a lot of 'rules' that get broken. if this were to be implemented it'd have to be clearly announced by whoever ran the night at the venue prior to the game.
The sad thing is that the LPL for me anyway is about fun and playing a bit of poker down the pub, i don't want it to be like the WSOP, it should be fun, but there's a line that's crossed in a lot of cases e.g grabbing cards out the muck - if you must do it, do it at the end of a hand!

[drwinston]

I don't think you could "fine" people for breaking rules / etiquette. It just wouldn't work. It's up to the people at the table to state the "new" additions to the LPL. On Monday night we started to stop rabbit hunting and nursing cards. All that has to be done is to say something when it happens and as everyone now knows it's in the LPL rules they won't do it. If I'm dealing I don't rabbit for people and I collect everyones folded cards. If the dealer always does that, half the issues we have are irradicated.

[Emceehamster]

Good point. If the dealer is aware of the rules and stays in charge these problems shouldn't arise. I'll try that tomorrow on my go.

[RevStu]

"Problems"?

I'm getting a bit fed-up of all these people who think they're playing for $5 million at the WSOP all of a sudden. I completely agree that people shouldn't fish their hands out of the muck - and certainly not discuss what they had while a hand's still going on - as obviously if they give clues to what they folded that could affect someone else's decisions. But a bit of rabbit-hunting? Jeez, lighten up. It takes how long to deal out one or two more cards? A second? Who's suffering? It's hardly holding up the game, is it? How po-faced do you have to be to object to someone being curious if they made the right call or not? It adds a bit of drama. Obviously it'd be a bit tedious if someone was doing it every hand, but once in a while, who cares?

And yeah, maybe you wouldn't get away with it in a high-stakes Vegas tournament, but we're not playing in a high-stakes Vegas tournament, nor are the league's games advertised as "poker etiquette tutorials". We're in a pub having a bit of social fun for points. Get over yourselves.

[Emceehamster]

With that attitude in mind, we may as well let anything go then. After all, it's only a game in a pub. Go on, drag through the muck pile for your cards, tell everyone what you folded, throw your chips in at the speed of a poorly guided missile!

S'only a bit of fun.

[GUMSHOE]

Originally Posted by RevStu

"Problems"?

And yeah, maybe you wouldn't get away with it in a high-stakes Vegas tournament, but we're not playing in a high-stakes Vegas tournament, nor are the league's games advertised as "poker etiquette tutorials". We're in a pub having a bit of social fun for points. Get over yourselves.

I think there is room for a happy medium between the above and some of the other posts complaining about the way people conduct themselves at the table. Absolutely it's about fun, but it's about a fun game of poker, and if the rules and standards of the game are continuingly broken by a minority how long will it stay fun for the majority?

FAO Mike - Are you the only person with decision making powers for LPL? If so, would you consider first consulting with your organisers and maybe come up with a list of things that do truly upset people and upset the running of the game. That done, you can perhaps come up with some sort of deterrant. It would help if the organisers at the games weren't actually playing, and were therefore tournament directors in the true sense of the word, but then you might suddenly find yourself stuck for organisers!

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by GUMSHOE

I think there is room for a happy medium between the above and some of the other posts complaining about the way people conduct themselves at the table. Absolutely it's about fun, but it's about a fun game of poker, and if the rules and standards of the game are continuingly broken by a minority how long will it stay fun for the majority?

FAO Mike - Are you the only person with decision making powers for LPL? If so, would you consider first consulting with your organisers and maybe come up with a list of things that do truly upset people and upset the running of the game. That done, you can perhaps come up with some sort of deterrant. It would help if the organisers at the games weren't actually playing, and were therefore tournament directors in the true sense of the word, but then you might suddenly find yourself stuck for organisers!

I really don't want to make a big issue out of this guys, as i feel the general play at most games is enjoyable for everybody.
Of course we will come across a player who does not understand the basics of the etiquette, but by explaining the reasons why you don't do that at a table will be better than a fine or a ten minute penalty...
I will get some etiquette sheets printed for all venues which new players should refer to....

Any serious mis-conducts at a evening should be referred straight away to the organizer who will deal with the situation, if anyone is not happy about a decision made by an organizer then send me an e-mail privately (dont air your grievances on a public message board) and i will try and sort it out.

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by Emceehamster

With that attitude in mind, we may as well let anything go then. After all, it's only a game in a pub. Go on, drag through the muck pile for your cards, tell everyone what you folded,

Remarkable way to misrepresent me saying the exact opposite of that.

Stuff which affects a hand in progress is obviously not on, because it changes the outcome of the game. Moaning about the odd rabbit hunt makes you sound like the twat at the kickabout in the park who wants to play the offside rule.

[GUMSHOE]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

I really don't want to make a big issue out of this guys, as i feel the general play at most games is enjoyable for everybody.

Any serious mis-conducts at a evening should be referred straight away to the organizer who will deal with the situation, if anyone is not happy about a decision made by an organizer then send me an e-mail privately (dont air your grievances on a public message board) and i will try and sort it out.

And nor do I, honest. It's a slow day at work and I made the suggestion in the best of spirits I assure you! That said, an "etiquette sheet" would be most useful - and not just for new players...

To be frank, if he doesn't mind too much, most LPL games run just as smoothly as casino tournaments, but nevertheless I feel it's important for the good of all that a few little misdemeanours are stamped out.