Poker etiquette???

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

We have had this discussion before about players going heads up and one player turning over his cards to try and get a read on the other player.

My Opinion is that i would class this a poor etiquette and would very much frown on people who use these tactics.

You never did explain why, though...

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by RevStu

You never did explain why, though...

Poker Etiquette:

Bettingspam

Do not splash the pot (throw your chips)
Do not string bet (placing chips in multiple actions or movements unless stated verbally)
Verbally announce your action, so that all players know your intentions.
Chips and discards should be placed as far forward as reasonably possible to make it easier for the dealer to handle them.
When discarding your hand, do so towards the dealer at a low level of flight so that no other player can see what you have discarded.
Do not expose any cards until the showdown, unless players are all-in and no further betting can take place.

[RevStu]

That's not why, man...

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by RevStu

That's not why, man...

The reason is obvious Stu, by turning your cards over you attempt to get a reaction from your opponent..if both players could do this maybe it would be fair...but only one person is in position to try and get a read of a opponent by turning his cards over, does it help i doubt it!, is it fair that one person can do this while the other has to sit there?......

Do not expose any cards until the showdown, unless players are all-in and no further betting can take place.

Maybe you can explain to me the reasons WHY you think its ok?...

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

The reason is obvious Stu, by turning your cards over you attempt to get a reaction from your opponent..if both players could do this maybe it would be fair...but only one person is in position to try and get a read of a opponent by turning his cards over, does it help i doubt it!, is it fair that one person can do this while the other has to sit there?......

Oh, come on - is it "fair" that two people have to bet blind every hand when everyone else doesn't? Of course not, but that's how the game works. Poker is 80% about trying to read the other players and gain psychological advantages over them, and 20% (if that) about what cards you've got in your hand. There are 100 other ways to try to influence/psyche out/read another player, and none of them are considered "bad etiquette". If the other guy doesn't want to give away a reaction to seeing your cards, nobody's forcing him to look at them.

People say what they've got all the time, truthfully or otherwise. I just don't see how actually showing your cards is different to that. The way I was brought up, telling the truth is more polite than lying...

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by RevStu

Oh, come on - is it "fair" that two people have to bet blind every hand when everyone else doesn't? Of course not, but that's how the game works. Poker is 80% about trying to read the other players and gain psychological advantages over them, and 20% (if that) about what cards you've got in your hand. There are 100 other ways to try to influence/psyche out/read another player, and none of them are considered "bad etiquette". If the other guy doesn't want to give away a reaction to seeing your cards, nobody's forcing him to look at them.

People say what they've got all the time, truthfully or otherwise. I just don't see how actually showing your cards is different to that. The way I was brought up, telling the truth is more polite than lying...

You look at my post but you don't read it...or maybe you read it but chose to ignore it, so i am not going to try and explain it to you again i guess we will have to agree to disagree.

is it "fair" that two people have to bet blind every hand when everyone else doesn't?

Its is fair because on the next start the blinds rotate so that means everyone gets to post SB BB...

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

You look at my post but you don't read it...or maybe you read it but chose to ignore it, so i am not going to try and explain it to you again i guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I understood it perfectly, I just don't get why showing your cards is worse etiquette than all the 99 other things you can do to try to get a psychological advantage that nobody complains about.

[Emceehamster]

Regardless, what about my other query Mike, about stating what you are holding, be it true or lie?

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by Emceehamster

Regardless, what about my other query Mike, about stating what you are holding, be it true or lie?

Sorry i can't find that post...
but if your talking about general talk at the table and your holding KK you say "you better fold i got KK" as far as i know you can lie about your hand all you like but you cannot tell them what your actually holding.

[DonkBox]

All this talk about poker etiquette and ray's excellent post has got me thinking.

This bad etiiquette happens all the time - i'm a culprit too, i love the high nonchelent chip toss, even though you're not meant to splah the pot - perhaps it'd be prudent for a week, a month, or even just at the final to somehow 'penalise' players if they repeatedly break the rules.

It'd have to be uniform acorss the board, but lets say you've 'raised' but not announced it, the third time you do it you're penalised the equivelant of the small blind etc... same if you're not following the action, third strike you donate to the pot, same if you say 'ooh there's three of a suit' etc.

i'm not sure of the best way to implement this. maybe a chip fine isn't the best way, perhaps a time penalty or something similar?

these penalties would make players who are violating the rules learn quickly!!