Poker etiquette???

[waltypies]

Originally Posted by Emceehamster

I was more annoyed at his OTT reaction than anything else.

I get wound up when people get pissy at what is essentially a free poker game. If you play poker, you're gonna get bad beats. No point getting all ;airy about it.

That said, if you fluke a win, have the good grace not to gloat. We have a player in Weston called Mad Dog who needs to control this or someone might decide he needs putting down. get lucky if you want, but do it witha little style.

ANy comemnts on the hand revealing query?

There is nothing wrong with folding your cards face up. Its not classed as being bad so dont feel you have done anything wrong.

However dont ever consider calling 2 all ins with A,9 lol

As for old matey boy getting in a pissy as he had A,9o tell him not to be so stupid and its his fault for playing with rubbish

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by Emceehamster

Here's one...

In a game last week a player went all in. He was called by one other player and others folded round to me. I was the last to act. I was holding ace nine unsuited and was considering calling. As it made no difference if my cards were seen, I turned them over so all could see my dilemma. I then folded straight away, as had been my intention when I turned the cards.

The problem was, one of the all in players also has ace nine unsuited and had a right go at me for "ruining his chances". I pointed out that whether he saw my cards or not would not have any effect on the hand, but he got all pissy, saying what I had done breached "poker etiquette". Of course, he lost to a pocket pair and went out in a huff.

Was what I did wrong? I didn't influence the outcome of the game or anyones betting. I've seen other people do it and it never bothers me. If it scuppered my own chances of winning an all in by them having some of the cards I wanted I would just accept it, not have a go. After all, seeing them doesn't change a thing, except you are now aware that your odds of winning are shortened.

You didn't do anything wrong IMO. I don't know who the arbiter of "poker etiquette" is, but much of it seems to be complete cobblers made up by moany-faced killjoys. As long as you don't affect the betting, as far as I can see you can have your cards blown up to three feet high and parade around with them as a sandwich board if you think it'll help.

[DonkBox]

Originally Posted by drwinston

This could be fun. These I would say are the most common in the Weston games. Especially the "I'm folding but nursing" and "can we rabbit that" !!!
Lets hope we can erradicate this russish

Yeah we have the same problem in the games in Bath. You fold your trash hand then the flop comes 3-5-8 and you can tell by someones reaction - usually they try to get their cards out the muck - that they've hit two pair, any chance for someone in the hand to bluff at a made straight has gone.

More annoying is when a flop comes say K-J-10 and someone pipes up 'nice flop for A-Q' if you're not in the hand you shouldn't comment on it and even if you are you shouldn't say that. Most common is when a third card of a suit arrives on the river and someone thinks they need to tell the whole table that there's a possible flush out there now! if your opponent(s) haven't noticed it then it's their own fault etc.

And have to agree with you Drwinston the i'm folding but keeping it right here (as in not mucking it) is v.annoying if it's not good enough to play just muck it.

And lastly as Ray mentioned people need to be aware of who's turn to act it is. Not only so they don't act out of turn but also to speed the game up. With blinds being only 20/15 minutes long those 20 seconds or so or looking at someone waiting for them to act only for them to say 'oh didn't know it was my turn' really add up, of course this leads to people needing to keep their cards in view.

[Emceehamster]

I was thinking about the "cards up" thing, and have come to this conclusion...

When I am watching someone umming and ahhing about whether to call an all in, I ALWAYS want to know what they have. Not to get an insight into their game, but because I'm so used to watching it on TV, where you see the mucked hands. With that in mind, I will turn my cards (ONLY if it doesn't affect the hand), because I'm sure others have that same curiosity.

It's TVs fault.

[DonkBox]

turning your cards over to get a reaction from someone is acceptable in one instance and one insatnce only.

if there are two people left in a hand and player A has gone all-in player B, could strictly speaking turn his cards over whilst pondering a call (this was allowed in the National heads-up championship recently) however in many casinos Player B would've just folded his hand by doing that, it's a bit of a grey area!

[Marcus_Foster]

Originally Posted by DonkBox

turning your cards over to get a reaction from someone is acceptable in one instance and one insatnce only.

if there are two people left in a hand and player A has gone all-in player B, could strictly speaking turn his cards over whilst pondering a call (this was allowed in the National heads-up championship recently) however in many casinos Player B would've just folded his hand by doing that, it's a bit of a grey area!

Personally would say that if a player b is showing his cards that is definatly a fold, he is just showning his hand to get a reaction (tell) on his opponent. Maybe it was allowed in the heads-up tourny, but if this happened in game i was in i would 100% call that a fold and i sure most people would also.

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by Marcus_Foster

Personally would say that if a player b is showing his cards that is definatly a fold, he is just showning his hand to get a reaction (tell) on his opponent. Maybe it was allowed in the heads-up tourny, but if this happened in game i was in i would 100% call that a fold and i sure most people would also.

I wouldn't, and nor do most of the people in the LPL around here.

[Marcus_Foster]

Ok then maybe they don't lol

It is a grey area in poker, maybe its up to the host/floor manager.

[Emceehamster]

Surely a fold is only when the player verbalises it or his cards touch the muck pile?

If I was playing someone who turned them over to show a weaker hand than mine I would certainly try to give them an "Oh no! You have me beat!" tell!!!

[LPL_Mike]

We have had this discussion before about players going heads up and one player turning over his cards to try and get a read on the other player.

My Opinion is that i would class this a poor etiquette and would very much frown on people who use these tactics.