Blinds/Dealer

[drwinston]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

This is also incorrect and have spoken to Nic on this matter several times.
Let me clarify.
If the person who is the small blind in the next hand goes out, the blinds DO NOT move around, the dealer who dealt previously deals again.

So are you saying we've all been playing wrong? Since I've played in the league the rule is if the big blind goes out, the blinds skip so there's always a big and small blind in and therefore the person who was meant to be the big blind next is actually only the small.

Can you please clarify that we should be playing by the correct poker rules that state if the player who would've been the small blind next hand is eliminated the next hand starts with only a big blind?

[drwinston]

PS, not trying to cause a problem or anything. I just thought it best we all play by the "correct" rules and most importantly the same rules.

what a cute puppy

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by drwinston

PS, not trying to cause a problem or anything. I just thought it best we all play by the "correct" rules and most importantly the same rules.
what a cute puppy

No problem...always good to have a healthy discussion

[RevStu]

Originally Posted by drwinston

I don't really have a problem with it as such. It's just given that some people who play in the LPL may one day want to play in a casino or such like and if they do that, their cards will be mucked and they'll lose the hand.

I certainly don't claim to be any expert on the rules, so clear this up for me - if I'm playing in a casino, pondering a call and I say "Hmm, I don't know - I have Ace-Queen, can't make my mind up", would I be mucked? I'm presuming not. But if I show the cards rather than just telling everyone what they are, that's different?

[drwinston]

Originally Posted by RevStu

I certainly don't claim to be any expert on the rules, so clear this up for me - if I'm playing in a casino, pondering a call and I say "Hmm, I don't know - I have Ace-Queen, can't make my mind up", would I be mucked? I'm presuming not. But if I show the cards rather than just telling everyone what they are, that's different?

having just had a conversation with Mike it goes like this. It is actually just considered bad poker etiquette to show your cards or say what you've got. There is no actual "rule" that states you can't do it. However, having said that the WPT don't allow it and you WILL be mucked so if you're playing in a casino or a game other than the LPL I would just clarify the situation before you do it just in case they don't allow it.

PS, thanks for the call Mike. Cleared some things up in my mind.

[swinebag22]

actually drwinston,

if someone raises to 600 when the blinds are 100/200, that is a raise of 400. Therefore the minimum bet for a reraise would be 1000(600 + 400) not 1200. It would only be 1200 min raise if in a subsequent betting round you opened the betting with 600.

Also mike is correct about allins less than the big blind. everyone else who wants to play has to bet the minimum big blind and create a side pot. That IS what happens in card rooms across the country. You may be confused with the situation where a player has posted his big blind 400 and then goes 300 all in after the flop. In this situation then the other players have to bet 300 and can only create a side pot by betting a min of 600.

You are correct about the passing of big blinds as the result of an elimination. It annoys me when players miss a round of having to post a big blind. The correct rule when applied does not allow this.

You are also correct about showing cards before folding. Only the last person to fold can do this.

This example (albeit unrealistic) may explain why.

A game is three handed and the flop has shown two kings. player one bets big. player 2 with King 4 folds thinking player 1 has king with bigger kicker. he shows this to the table before player 3 has acted. Player 3 though also has a king (the last one) with another weak kicker and now knows (thanks to player 2 and not poker psychology) that his trip kings cant be outkicked and he probably has the best hand. This is grossly unfair on player 1 who was trying to represent a king and maybe had a big pair.

You are also correct about talking about hands before it is finished. You will get warned in a british casino for doing this. (I think anything goes in the US though)

3 and a half out of 5 aint bad though doc.

[curryking]

I'm off to play dominoes

[curryking]

But seriously, concerning the blinds issue when the small blind goes out, i don't see why the blinds would skip and one player misses the big blind? I thought Hold Em was a version of Poker that ensured consistency, and this gives one player an advantage. If anyone can explain the fact to me, then i'll gladly listen to it to cure my own conscience

[waltypies]

Originally Posted by drwinston

You've confused the buggery out of me there Mike !! lol. However, basically you're saying if someone goes all in for less than the minimum bet then if there are 2 or more players who wish to call they must put the minimum bet value in?

I'll have to let every Casino I've played in, plus get in touch with the WPT and World Series of poker and let them know that because none of them play that rule. The reason I brought it up was because I thought you could just call the all in and then obviously if you wanted to continue betting on other streets a side pot would be made, but people in the LPL went with your interpretation of it.

Last night I got clarification on the matter as I was watching a WPT event and it was down to the last 3. someone went all in for less than the big blind. the 2 other players just called his all in and then checked it down. I would presume the WPT plays by the correct rules of poker and therefore the LPL doesn't. Really not an issue just that if you're playing a game it makes sense to play by the correct rules.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

What you seem to forget it the WPT and WSOP shows are edited and they dont show the fact the players have actually called the BB if the guy goes all in for less than the BB.

Mike is correct in stating that if player A goes all in when the blinds are 100/200 for 150 every player would have to call the BB of 200 and the extra 50's would be in a side pot.

Maybe i could suggest some people buying a book of the rules?? I am sure WHSmith sell them for around 2.99. Or better still maybe buy the WPT mag as they included a book of the rules inside one of the issues

[LPL_Mike]

Originally Posted by curryking

But seriously, concerning the blinds issue when the small blind goes out, i don't see why the blinds would skip and one player misses the big blind? I thought Hold Em was a version of Poker that ensured consistency, and this gives one player an advantage. If anyone can explain the fact to me, then i'll gladly listen to it to cure my own conscience

When the SB is knocked out, instead of the dealer button passing straight to the next person, it stays with the dealer and the blinds move round.

When the BB is knocked out i have always allowed the button to move round the table, meaning that sometimes (not often) a player will miss out on the BB, thats the system i brought back from the states (at all times there are 2 blinds on the table, it was suppose to help people new to the game get less confused)! i dont think it worked