New Points System for LPL - Please Vote

[Raiser]

I was just spamming you all with addidtional info!

On a serious note - Restricting the bonus points to just the (i.e.) top 3 surly would solve all the problems mentioned in the previous post...

[welshdemon]

Originally Posted by sair*

i know someone chased points last month and there was about 10 ppl at the venue

Again, the few who turn up to not so busy venues are surely very important to the survival of the LPL. If nobody turns up, there is no game, if there is no game, everybody concerned loses out.

Im not arguing whether it's easier or not to score high points in a quiter venue, of course it is, but the quiet venues need the support of the league members else they'll just fizzle out, and of course the more venues that are in the league, the much better it is for all involved. My point is, I dont think that complaining about players who win points for playing in a 10 handed game is fair, as without the players there's no league

[drwinston]

fair point that you don't want to "punish" people who play in the lower attended games but the way it is at the moment it's the people who turn up at the "busier" games that are being punished.

Take for example this month. It's been a good month for the league even though the world cup has been on. There's a lot of points about and a lot of people chasing them because of the extra incentives put forward by Mike. However, is it really fair that come the final there could quite conceivably be 5-10 people out of the 60 (17% of the field) that have only competed against a maximum field of 10?

However, that's by the by and I would presume things will be changing in the near future. The one thing I would also say is that surely events that only attract 10 maximum won't last the course anyway. If I was a landlord I wouldn't be paying the nightly rate for too long as it wouldn't be worth it. As far as the "survival" of the LPL goes, I would also put a higher price on the people that attend the larger fields than the smaller ones, and if I was one of the people who just miss out on the top 60 this month because there are people in the top 60 that have gained 600 points for winning a tournament with 3 entrants I would be less than pleased. If it were to continue I think you might run the risk of losing those people and then you could find all venues only attracting 10-15 people, which really would be a blow to the league.

Plus, the extra points won't change things so dramatically in favour of the the larger fields but it will help. Lets say you win a tournament with 30 entrants, and the bonus scheme is 10 points per player. That's 600+300 = 900. Then you win a tournament with 10 entrants (you could say it's 3 times easier to win) you would get 600+100 = 700. That's only 200 points more for the win against 3 x the competition. You're more likely to get higher in the points on a regular basis in the smaller fields than you are in the larger ones so the smaller fields will still probably gaining a lot of points. However it would just make it a little closer than it is at the moment.

Of course, if the smaller venues could attract more people then we wouldn't have this problem and the LPL really would go from strength to strength.

As it goes, I'm sure people enjoy playing as well as getting into the final, but if the LPL is to grow these little lines need to be ironed out.

One other thing, Mike, I'm pretty sure if you look through this thread completely someone changed their mind on the vote. They had originally put down 5 bonus points but changed it to 10, therefore the vote is slightly misleading at the moment as it should read 9 votes for 10 bonus points and 7 for 5.

I've been blabering on, sorry. Nothing to do at work but talk bollox !!!

[DonkBox]

Had an idea for the bonus points scoring system, not sure if this'd be esay to implement but thought i'd throw it out there. in my mind it would neutralise the smaller field/bigger field argument...

It works like this:

How many people you out-lasted / Entrants of MTT x 50 x y (y = number of tables at start of game)

So…
40 people if you win you get 39/40 x 50 x 5 = 243.75 (843.75 total)
24 people 23/24 x100 x 3 = 143.75 (743.75 total)
10 people 9/10 x 100 x 1 = 45 (645 total)

if it were a flat 10 bonus points per player figures for the same fields would be

1000
840
700

[LPL_Mike]

Looking back through these posts it becomes obvious that we not only need the Bonus points changed but to alter also the points system.

Instead of a top heavy points system that we have now i would like to purpose a slight change:

16th-11th...........50pts
10th...................60pts
9th....................70pts
8th....................80pts
7th....................90pts
6th...................100pts
5th...................150pts
4th...................200pts
3rd...................250pts
2nd..................300pts
1st...................400pts

Now you can see with the change it becomes less top heavy and the difference between 1st and 6th not so dramatic

The new bonus points coupled with the new system gives a better overall fit in my opinion:

1st - 5th Bonus points 10pts
6th - 10th " " 7pts
11th 16th " " 5pts


10players
16th - 11th 50pts + (5x10 =50pts) Total 100pts
10th 60pts +( 7x10=70pts) Total 130pts
5th 150pts +(10x 10=100pts) Total 250pts
1st 400pts +(10x10=100pts) Total 500pts

25 players
16th - 11th 50pts + (5x25 =125pts) Total 175pt
10th 60pts +( 7x25=175pts) Total 235pts
5th 150pts +(10x25=250pts) Total 400pts
1st 400pts +(10x25=250pts) Total 650pts

40players
16th - 11th 50pts + (5x40 =200pts) Total 250p
10th 60pts +( 7x40=280pts) Total 340pts
5th 150pts +(10x40=400pts) Total 550pts
1st 400pts +(10x40=400pts) Total 800pts

Sits back and waits for the

[Raiser]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

Looking back through these posts it becomes obvious that we not only need the Bonus points changed but to alter also the points system.

Instead of a top heavy points system that we have now i would like to purpose a slight change:

16th-11th...........50pts
10th...................60pts
9th....................70pts
8th....................80pts
7th....................90pts
6th...................100pts
5th...................150pts
4th...................200pts
3rd...................250pts
2nd..................300pts
1st...................400pts

Now you can see with the change it becomes less top heavy and the difference between 1st and 6th not so dramatic

The new bonus points coupled with the new system gives a better overall fit in my opinion:

1st - 5th Bonus points 10pts
6th - 10th " " 7pts
11th 16th " " 5pts


10players
16th - 11th 50pts + (5x10 =50pts) Total 100pts
10th 60pts +( 7x10=70pts) Total 130pts
5th 150pts +(10x 10=100pts) Total 250pts
1st 400pts +(10x10=100pts) Total 500pts

25 players
16th - 11th 50pts + (5x25 =125pts) Total 175pt
10th 60pts +( 7x25=175pts) Total 235pts
5th 150pts +(10x25=250pts) Total 400pts
1st 400pts +(10x25=250pts) Total 650pts

40players
16th - 11th 50pts + (5x40 =200pts) Total 250p
10th 60pts +( 7x40=280pts) Total 340pts
5th 150pts +(10x40=400pts) Total 550pts
1st 400pts +(10x40=400pts) Total 800pts

Sits back and waits for the

Thats the worst suggestion!

Only joking..... that looks perfect.

[drwinston]

yeah, it's never gonna be perfect for all situations and you'll still get the "easier" points venues but then that's good in some ways because it'll encourage people to attend the quieter events until hopefully all events are well attended. I think that looks like a pretty good system Mike. I personally wasn't one for changing the overall points and am not sure if they need changing because as in a real money tournament, first prize will always be a decent amount more than 2nd, 3rd etc and I think you had it about right before but I'm sure the changes won't be too dramatic.

I guess we'll all see how it goes in July.

[GUMSHOE]

Originally Posted by LPL_Mike

What the LPL is trying to achieve is a balance of bonus points for coming through a larger field as opposed to a smaller field.

I must be missing something vital here so at the risk of being shot down in flames for the No.1 dumbass post this year....

Why not just multiply the points you get for the position by the number of runners?

You may have to lower the points per position as you'll end up with some pretty big numbers otherwise, but that will be a quick and simple way of taking finish and number of runners into account... So...
If you get 100 points for winning and there's 30 runners you get 3000 points. If there's 45 runners you get 4500.

Yes, it means that the smaller fields will get less points, but that's poker. They've not had to do as much to win so the prize is relative, just as in a real event.

[HandofGod]

Mike I think this is a good system because it's fair that you get more points for doing better in a bigger field.