Red and Black betting on roulette table.

[Dice Man]

I can't believe you still come here man. I thought you might have just been deluded or stupid but you must be a scammer. Bring the evidence to the table or stop making your ridiculous claims. You talk the talk, now walk the walk. Either offer us some probability theory which supports your claim (which is impossible), or some decent evidence that roulette spins are not independent events to the spins that precede and follow them.

[Steve Morgan]

Hi Dice Man

I'm still here but haven't been posting much really. I do however, enjoy winning at the local casinos.

I now give my strategies away to those who bother to follow up and contact me. None of them complain about how well they are doing.

If I'm a scammer what's in it for me? I use my own strategy to win consistently and give it away to others. What's your problem?

Cheers
Steve

[casinohackers]

May be i will say big secret, but why dont you use such scheme of game:
you spin the ruoulette and wait for 5 in row red, and after this play like martingale system, black bet - blacke bet * 2 - black bet * 4

After 5 red in row there is a very high % black appears.

I'll say more, my program is allow to automate this process, if you want to know more send me PM cause i cant advertise it public It is freeware!

[tfeilding]

The odds of a black coming out after 5 reds is... wait for it..... *drum roll*..... exactly the same as a red appearing. There is no statistical anomaly here for you to exploit. You are simply warping the laws of statistics to convince yourself of something which is false.

[Dice Man]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Hi Dice Man

I'm still here but haven't been posting much really. I do however, enjoy winning at the local casinos.

I now give my strategies away to those who bother to follow up and contact me. None of them complain about how well they are doing.

If I'm a scammer what's in it for me? I use my own strategy to win consistently and give it away to others. What's your problem?

Cheers
Steve

They probably don't complain because they're all in prison for not paying what they owe on gambling debts etc.
I don't have any problem with you talking rubbish on the internet. In fact I think your right to do so is important. I "pretended" in earlier posts to be helping you, to try to de-convince you from your irrational system. But I think we both know that you probably don't even use one or even play any roulette. Your only purpose in being here is to fool gullible, (probably desperate) idiots into parting with some money for your theory. If you were giving it away freely like you claim then you would have already published it on here in public.

[Steve Morgan]

Hi Diceman
Thanks for all the meaningful comments about me and the people who have benefited from my strategies. You know nothing about me or my friends so it's pretty hard for you to make valid comments about our personalities or lifestyles. I've been communicating with people all over the world for years and I can assure you there is no money involved whatsoever.

It is precisely because of people like you that I don't post my strategy online for everyone to copy and profit from!! I only give my strategy to people who have worked hard on Forums trying to help others with techniques they have tried themselves and those who have contributed innovative ideas about how the game may be beaten.

Many Gambling Forums are inundated with people who like nothing better than to pull other people and their ideas apart (just take a look at Gambler's Glen) while not contributing anything themselves. Whereas underneath that layer of trumpet blowers is a group of people who, may not say much, but who genuinely want to contribute but they are put off by people like you who do nothing but criticise.

As I said before - I get nothing out of giving my strategy away - I just like to help people who have had a go at helping themselves. I'm not sure why you have a problem with this!

Why are you on this Forum? Have you helped anyone win any money?

Cheers
Steve

[tfeilding]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Hi Diceman

Why are you on this Forum? Have you helped anyone win any money?

Yes he has. by donking it off to them at poker

Actually, Diceman does help people here. In this instance he is helping people by telling them there is no such thing as a winning system at roulette which does not employ cheating.

If you look at the number of posts he has made (nearly 2.5k) you might be able to gauge he has been around these forums for a little while - and these forums dont suffer fools gladly.

[DannyC]

Seems some of us have been around too long sometimes...

[Steve Morgan]

Hi TFeilding and All

I wasn’t going to reply to this post because I’ve had my share of Forum discussions over a number of years. Some are worthwhile while others are counter-productive.

I have no doubt that Dice Man has made many valuable contributions to this forum but after a while you get the same old thing repeating itself until everyone’s convinced there is nothing new. Hence your quote about Diceman telling people there is no winning system for beating roulette. Remember it’s not the quantity of the posts you contribute but the quality of the content.

If there is no system out there then what is the point of belonging to a forum that engages in discussions about finding the Holy Grail of roulette?

Personally I came to roulette forums to gain knowledge from other people without even thinking of contributing, after all there are many out there far brighter than I am!

I’d tried my hand at Casino Roulette for a time and had the frustrating ups and downs that normal punters experience. Up $1,000 one day only to lose it all the next! But on reading a few quality arguments from some of those semi-professionals on the forum, I started to get a feel for the game and how it might be beaten. The biggest problem seemed to be the House Edge and the fact that the ‘possibility factor’ was always in the back of your mind. By ‘possibility factor’ I mean that anything is possible in a game of chance.
I even bought a couple of strategies off the net to see how they were attacking the game but sadly they too always crashed.
My first break through was with a strategy advocated by a guy who called himself ‘Turbo Genius” from Gambler’s Glen. His basic strategy for roulette was a very good working model but far from perfect. In the end, after many trials and exasperating tests, I fine-tuned it to suit my style and degree of risk taking so that it performed a great deal better. It was tested by three independent members of my favourite forum along with two other strategies and came out with an ROI of 430%. After the shock had calmed down they demanded a further test because the results were astounding (to say the least) and only done on 1,000 spins. Further tests were applied using 10,000 Hamburg Spins and the results were slightly lower at a ROI of 419%.

So from initially visiting roulette forums to gain some knowledge of the game I ended up fine-tuning an existing strategy so that it makes a consistent profit. It’s not the Holy Grail because my definition of that is to be able to pick the next number that will be spun prior to spinning and I don’t think that is ever going to be humanly possible.

So the robust strategy that I put together from bits and pieces from other forum members is the one that consistently wins me money at any casino I visit. In order to put together a robust winning strategy you have to approach forums with an open mind and be prepared to discard some of the prejudices that abound out there. Know me before you judge me!

Cheers and kind regards
Steve

[Dice Man]

Thanks Tom, was away over the weekend so only catching up with this now.

Steve Morgan,

Many Gambling Forums are inundated with people who like nothing better than to pull other people and their ideas apart (just take a look at Gambler's Glen) while not contributing anything themselves.

I would be pulling your ideas apart if you ever actually submitted them for analysis. The reason I continue to basically troll you on this forum is because you never show any indication of having any ideas about roulette. This has been going around for at least a year now, and you have never contributed anything here. I'm genuinely interested from a psychological point of view why you even post here. I'm 90% certain it has something to do with making money from people, not from roulette. And I'm about 10% certain that it's due to some madness or mental disorder. If I was slightly more intrigued I would make a dummy account and pretend to be some idiot so that I could find out what it is you're peddling, but I just can't be bothered with that. I'd rather just ask you straight up, which I've been doing for ages.

As I said before - I get nothing out of giving my strategy away - I just like to help people who have had a go at helping themselves. I'm not sure why you have a problem with this!

If you had a system with a 420% ROI then presumably you could just set up a charity for reckless gamblers. If this system really existed you could be a multi-millionaire within a month. It wouldn't be unreasonable to be a dollar-billionaire within a few years if you played carefully and avoided detection. If you'd claimed to have an ROI of 5% or even 0.5% then you'd be faintly believable, but 420%? That is just outrageous. Presumably you came up with a figure this large because your system is something like: getting people to stake you and doubling their money (in theory making you both a profit), but in actuality you just steal the money.

I suppose the above counts to you as slander, as do most of the things I've said about you on this forum without knowing anything about you or your friends. But what do you expect? I'm coming up with the best explanations based on the limited information you're offering up.

If there is no system out there then what is the point of belonging to a forum that engages in discussions about finding the Holy Grail of roulette?

I don't think the forum is devoted to discussions of this kind. And even if it were, you haven't exactly started any about finding such a Holy Grail. You may as well have come to a Ufology forum and simply said "Aliens exist. I've seen them but I can't/won't provide any evidence for that claim."

So that is the end of my reply. But I want to emphasise, if you are going to reply to any pat of it, then reply to the question of why you aren't a millionaire yet. I think that is the question you have most avoided, which is saying a lot since you have basically avoided every question.