Red and Black betting on roulette table.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Better2Win

I've seen as much as 18 reds on one roll. This system (Martingale) is hellish. If you want to try it though, here are 2 tips. First, be patient. Don't go into in until you've seen at least 5 or 6 reds in a row ( or blacks). Second, if it doesn't change after another 3 goes...walk. at least you've only lost a small amount. Don't get sucked in to these rolls...it's suicide.

its the quickest way to lose money in a casino, the casino would love every player to just play the martingale system, on an american roulette table your chances are 18/38 on hitting regardless of the last 10,000 spins which is roughly 5.5% in the house favour, on an english table its 18/37 which is roughly 2.7% house advantage, your original bet is the only profit you'll ever make, if you hit then you beat the odds so walk away, if you miss and double up, your betting 3 times your original stake to win the same as your original bet, miss again and its 7x your original stake to win the original bet, in other words, say you start with a quid, you hit your colour you have got 2 quid you got paid even money for just over a 1-2 bet (2-1 on) great odds and a value bet, if you lose and double up, you pay 2 quid to win 2 quid so still get the even money for a 1-2 bet but you also are a quid down from the original bet so your overall bet is 3 quid to win 4 so in effect your actually betting on a 1-2 shot but getting paid out for a 1-3 shot, suddenly the odds aint in your favour, lose again and as many have posted earlier there can be long runs of one colour, by the third bet you've thrown 7 quid to win 1 (1-7 on a 1-2 shot) and by the sixth miss you've thrown 63 quid to win a pound!!!

regardless of whether you know eventually its gonna hit or not (it is in effect a 2 horse race with a 3 legged donkey following them around the track) anyone who sets out with a system that can force you to bet on a 1-2 shot at odds of 1-63 or sometimes more needs their head examined, to actually win any money using the system you have to start with a very big bankroll ie 630,000 which allows you to play 6 spins to win an original stake of 10,000, which isnt a definite, over half a mil to win a possible 10g is ridiculous, your better off deciding what you can afford to lose and putting it all on once and once only!

[Looterman]

I am relatively new to roulette, is the Martingale system just a case of doubling your stakes on any bet until you win? On a practise table I have been waiting until any number in a row of 12 has not appeared for 4 times, then bet on that row starting with £5, doubling the stakes until it's a winner.

[Wuddle]

I'm still at a loss at how people think what happened before has a bearing on what happens in the future.

Spins on a roulette wheel is unconditional probability, ie you could get 1000 reds in a row, and the chances of the next one being a red would still be 18/37.

[Prowler]

its the laws of probability that causes the problems.....say heads or tails with a coin, the probablity of it landing on either are equal and over a period of time it will even itself out to an almost equal amount......the problem is that noone knows the length of time needed so can never predict the outcome with 100% confidence, even if 10 heads had come up theres still the same chance of a head coming up next as a tail, long term probability is a lot different to single event outcome!!

[jjh]

The probability of seeing 20 reds in a row is unlikely, but does happen, which is why the martinglae is such a dangerous system, even though red and black do even out over time.

What I find amazing, and a bit off topic is horse racing 'evs' shots. Their chance of winning is expected at 50% and they do in fact win 49% since 1996!! Just looking at the smaller priced horses tells me that SP is there for a reason as the odds are very nearly 'true', albeit slightly in the bookmakers favour. Sorry to go off topic, but I find it truly amazing that they can put a horse to a price and overtime see these odds matched nearly exactly as they should be over- which has been the case for the past 10 years! The bookmakers only make their big money on people backing the higher priced horses, as the 'expected' and 'true' odds deviate in a perfect curve as the price gets higher!

[a1056688]

Most US Casino's will politley ask you to leave for using the Martingale system these days.

I expect many UK Casinos may follow suit.

[Scott]

I dont know why you think casinos will ask you to leave/ban you for using this system.

There are no systems for random events. period.

This system does not affect the house edge at all..

The biggest roll I have ever seen was an absolutly shocking 13 blacks on the trot in the Leicester GALA casino a few months ago.. rest assured lots of people got fleeced on that run.. there was hundreds it not thousands being laid down on the red/black bets after the first 7 or 8 blacks

[a1056688]

I don't "think", I know.

Go and try it in Las Vegas and see how long you last.

[DannyC]

Looking, reading and even on some occasions testing these 'methods' like scotty said, all casino's have taken roulette as a pure house game. The ONLY flaw i can see of the casino losing money on roulette, is if the croupier is in on the job. Even the martingale system has alot of flaws to it, the other point being if UK casino's were to 'follow suit' they already have done by the looks of things. To all Grosvenor casinos maximum bet on black/red is £250, whilst stanleys remain the same, but even still, if this block wasn't in place, the martingale system is practically useless and only ever really 'playable' in very rare occasions, where there is a streak of colours being played.

I was in grosvenor this saturday and spent a HELL of alot on roulette, won a hell of alot too, but being there for nearly 16 hours, you can bet i left with nothing like tha float i went in with, but its always great in grosvenor to socialise.

As for them shocking 13 blacks scotty, try 19 reds on saturday, you can bet i was ready to nearly pull the house keys out

[Scott]

Seems good but again this falls under gamblers falacy. In no way can this system offer you any advantage over the house edge.. it just seems as if it is but in the long term you WILL lose.

And as for striaght up max limits I think you are all missing a point that you can get around this by just splitting the bet once you hit max over the numbers..

EG.
You need to bet £300 on black but you are £50 over the limit... so you are screwed? No just put £16 or whatever it is on each of the black numbers. doh.
Or £250 on black and £3 whatever on each of the blacks..

Math is a little off this time of the morning