Bookies, Pub, Arcade settings?

**likesapunt** · 16th July 2007, 09:27 AM

Can anyone tell me what the difference, if any, these settings are on AWP's machines?

**S6TAV** · 16th July 2007, 05:18 PM

I think it is something to do with the game play. One setting might payout regular mid range wins which would be suitable for a pub keeping people interested and probably not realising they are not really winning anything. The other will be slightly different and not pay out less mid range wins but more higher wins

I think it is something like that but I am not 100% sure which is which

**jeffvickers** · 17th July 2007, 01:58 AM

The LBO settings don't have an "Attract Mode", and the lights are dimmer. They play the same as Pub settings though.

**likesapunt** · 17th July 2007, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by JPwizard

I think it is something to do with the game play. One setting might payout regular mid range wins which would be suitable for a pub keeping people interested and probably not realising they are not really winning anything. The other will be slightly different and not pay out less mid range wins but more higher wins

I think it is something like that but I am not 100% sure which is which

Cheers, I thought it was something like that. I was just wondering about the different settings as I was in a local Bingo hall and they brought in 2 AWP's, Coronation Street and a Deal or No Deal both £25JP. Within £10 i got the red mega streaks off both of them making a tidy £90 profit. The vast majority of the people in this place havent a clue how to play these types of machine as the rest are all Lo-Techs so could be a nice little earner.

**S6TAV** · 17th July 2007, 01:57 PM

I just read my last post and man is my english bad.

Brand new sited machine are always easier to win on and when I say brand new sited machines i dont mean machines that have moved from one arcade to another I mean straight out the factory new. (This may be bullshit so please feel free to comment) It usually takes the program a good few thousand spins to run as coded. When machines are first sited they will do some whackey things.

**johnjohn** · 17th July 2007, 06:14 PM

i find when a pub gets a new machine for the first couple of weeks they play quite good then the mystery people come in and turn the % down then again a few weeks later i find they do this on all machines except the dond ones which are crap from almost the begining to the end

**kidgloves** · 17th July 2007, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by johnjohn

i find when a pub gets a new machine for the first couple of weeks they play quite good then the mystery people come in and turn the % down then again a few weeks later i find they do this on all machines except the dond ones which are crap from almost the begining to the end

This is standard practice at Gala Bingo halls and I would imagine many other places. They get you hooked on a promotional percentage then turn it down a few weeks later.
Whilst I would still play a brand new machine, you should be aware that these days it is possible that they are fitted with a 'pre-conditioned' chip which has had a few thousand virtual spins through it so initial payouts are not completely a free lunch.

**Choptastic** · 20th July 2007, 10:12 AM

My experience from playing literally tens of thousands of pounds through emulated fruities from every manufacturer from machines right through the nineties to very recent stuff like Revolution and Never Mind The Jackpots is as follows.

Different manu's machines do settle down in different ways.

As a general rule, Barcrests have a pretty happy period from a factory reset and don't mind running over percentage for a few hundred quid before settling down over an extended period of time.

JPMs are absolute buggers and will take fully £2000+ through them to finally hit target, I've had machines in the emulator be 3% behind target even at £2500 in, although they do settle down permanently eventually.

BFM/Mazooma/QPS actually play pretty normally right from the off. (Do a factory reset on Never Mind The Jackpots and the SSS method will work with about £100 in, same goes for BFMs like Lord Of The Rings (all of them), it'll take maybe £200 or so to save up enough for its first streak, and off it goes.)

Basically, machines settle down pretty quickly, and in the main, will start to play normally within a couple of hundred quid through them, including having any normal streaks available.

So for a new machine in a bingo hall, it'd probably take more than that in its first night.

As such, I wouldn't think there was anything more worth playing about a brand new factory reset machine. And remember that when machines are moved from site-to-site, they won't do a factory reset on them, so the machine will simply pick up from wherever it was up to in its cycle when it was last turned off.

What I do believe operators do however, is bump the percentage of machines up to a higher percentage when they're new on site, an AWP set to say 88% or 90% will play very generously and get a lot of people interested, (and still make a profit!), then knock it down to the usual bollocks 76% or whatever, and the players will take a good while to catch on, if they catch on at all, probably just believing someone else must be catching the machine right to get all the wins they used to.

Again, from experimentation with the emulator, different machines handle a percentage change differently. Some machines do the "honest" thing and if you knock them down from 90% to 70%, it'll do a "soft" factory reset on itself and start again from scratch at the new percentage. Some of them however (JPMs were a bastard for this), simply set themselves the new target and crawl back down there from whatever they were set to.

So for example if you have a JPM and it's set to 90% and it's on target, and you then knock it down to 70%, it's immediately 20% behind target and it'll play like a right bastard to claw it back.

(Kind of irrelevant now 'cause JPM don't do hi-techs (do they exist at all?) but you get the point.)

**Gambogaz1** · 20th July 2007, 10:45 AM

Thats the thing that some people aren't grasping with the new dual stakes.
Quite a few people are saying 50p play is too much but if you go on a machine thats running a couple of % under target then it'll start getting ready for either a JP or the streak, However you play on 50p play and trigger the extra 6% and suddenly the machine is 10% under and is playing happy to try and balance up.

**Choptastic** · 20th July 2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Gambogaz1

Thats the thing that some people aren't grasping with the new dual stakes.
Quite a few people are saying 50p play is too much but if you go on a machine thats running a couple of % under target then it'll start getting ready for either a JP or the streak, However you play on 50p play and trigger the extra 6% and suddenly the machine is 10% under and is playing happy to try and balance up.

It depends on how the machine handles the percentage differences between the stakes, we had a chat on FF about it recently.

Some machines maintain separate pots for each stake, some have a degree of crossover, and some just pay everything out of one pot, with all manner of coding trickery inbetween as well.

In short, it's not as simple as you might hope