Dual Stake

**gtbunny** · 20th November 2006, 03:25 AM

Okay so these bad boys are popping up quite a bit now, if so, what d'ya guys (and gals) think of em?

First impression is pretty dire.

Had a pop at Invincible earlier tonight and couldnt even get on within a tenner on 25p, after that resorted to the 50p spin and got on within a couple of quid, pretty average board. So anyways, did me stuff and got the top with a flat £25 (no surprise there), pushed on for another and got another flat £25.

Now 2x flat £25's can happen, but at 50p a play with a 6% increase I had expected a little bit more, to break even would have been nice, but I'm guessing this whole 6% thing is some kind of gimmick, otherwise it could be very easily exploited....

Just for the record this Invincible was working on the decent chip not the darn right shoddy one some of ya may have come across.

Am I the only one that is thinking that dual stake could spell the end of AWP's?

**Zorro Jnr** · 20th November 2006, 04:18 AM

Played extreme's cashalot on £35 30/50pp not too sure what i recon to be honest, +6% on 50pp but where is this 6%?? 78% increased to 84% payout, or does it lie somewhere in the value of each game going in the percentage, hense making 50pp play a rip off!!!!!

But if your into a full force which is the best way to play? Because if your going to force and the +6% in on the payout this is going to make your force cheaper.

Anyone shead any light in this current mystery because I would rather play a slotto on 50p and have the chance of winning £125 in one spin than the new AWPs that will be popping up everywhere if that become a success and start making better money in pub and arcades.

Everytime I read this I wanna add more but i will be awaiting your replies and then ask more

**SkillCash** · 20th November 2006, 01:30 PM

The whole 50P = +6% thing seems like a rip off.
If you do the maths it works out that for every pound in and extra 6p goes onto the streak. This means to get an extra pound on the streak will cost just over £16.50. If it takes £35 to force a £25 machine to streak from dead you will get an extra £2 back.
It all sounds highly convoluted to me, or am I just getting it all wrong?

Answers on a post card.....

**gtbunny** · 22nd November 2006, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by SkillCash

The whole 50P = +6% thing seems like a rip off.
If you do the maths it works out that for every pound in and extra 6p goes onto the streak. This means to get an extra pound on the streak will cost just over £16.50. If it takes £35 to force a £25 machine to streak from dead you will get an extra £2 back.
It all sounds highly convoluted to me, or am I just getting it all wrong?

Answers on a post card.....

It's gotta be some kind of strategic con, Lets say for example 'player A' puts £5 thru and wins between £10-£15 on the 50p +6% stake, what happens when 'player B' decides to put £5 thru on 25p (normal %age) does this mean the machine is gonna behave as though it's paid out a mint??

Answers VERY eagerly awaited on a postcard or any form of comms!

**Zorro Jnr** · 22nd November 2006, 01:02 AM

I see what your saying, but in that theory. force on normal stake, flat JP, why not force on 50p/+6% batter chance of a streak!?!? All a muddle only one way to find out these theories we have. Lost in all this some people need to find out info before we all end up poor or pissed off and don't bother playing!!!!!!

Dunhamzzz · 22nd November 2006, 08:09 AM

im confused.

raped a on a roll on 50p play, £20, 2 boards that wer "ARB1" and took 80 out (5 safe + 75)

**gtbunny** · 22nd November 2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dunhamzzz

im confused.

raped a on a roll on 50p play, £20, 2 boards that wer "ARB1" and took 80 out (5 safe + 75)

Do ya happen to know if the machine was in a place that usually has machine bursting to the brim, playing averagely, or absolutely battered?

**Justanewone** · 23rd November 2006, 01:39 AM

You lot have to bear in mind the old % thing where it kicks in over 10000 credits, so i assume the more people playing at +6% means there will be more value put in, it shouldnt matter what stake u play it on i think its luck. Now it may go into different pots but the machine should play the same as, just about, think about the percentage extra on the origial for the extra cost and you'll see it doesnt matter in fact it does cost you more. Forcing is a different story, any ideas welome!!!

Dave

**Zorro Jnr** · 23rd November 2006, 02:28 AM

Dave nice to see your alive mate!!!!!! Been ringing your house and no b@stard is giving you my messages!!!!! Give me a ring sometime, you've got my mobile and i'll ring you back.

As for dual stakes, its all a mystery for now, not been out long, but if you have seriously good info post in the private forum

**S6TAV** · 23rd November 2006, 02:57 AM

Dual stake just seems like the next step companies are taking to push us closer to sec 16.
As Z said earlier people will start to look at it as why am I playig at 50P a go for a £35 JP when I can do the same on a sec 16 for a possible £125

Must say I haven't seen any down this why yet so cant really comment.