Forcing beyond the mega streak

[jjh]

This prob is a ludicrous idea, but hey, we're on a fruit machine forum so why not?!

Say playing SRM and it offers SRM top streak and you carried on and never collected it- carried on for anther board then kept doing the same thing about 4 times, then collected- would it be likely to offer it again on the next board and increase the chances of kickstarting a better streak.

The only reason I ask is that on this machine, I find when it gives SRM before a jp is offered, it is often £25 flat with prob one more mega streak or jp in afters. Yet when it starts offering jp's but you push on for SRM, I have found it pays a bit more and offers it again.

About a week ago this machine offered me 5 jp's before giving SRM, that went for £35 and it gave it again in the next board for £25, then next board gave it again- 3 SRM's in a row! It seemed that as I had knocked back the jp so many times, that the streak was increased- could the same thing apply to rejecting the actual SRM as I know you don't have to collect it like on other machines.

Anyone ever tried this?

[Justanewone]

Not myself personally jjh, but a mate of min used to do this on VIU before anyone knew about PAR, he used to refuse 4-6 top streaks by either taking a crap win or tunring it off when forced on him (IM board) and used to take around 140-160 out, he may have been 100-140 in but he only lost 20 worst case scenario, and only once - the other times he made 30+ If only we knew Par then!!!

Dave

[jjh]

Not myself personally jjh, but a mate of min used to do this on VIU before anyone knew about PAR, he used to refuse 4-6 top streaks by either taking a crap win or tunring it off when forced on him (IM board) and used to take around 140-160 out, he may have been 100-140 in but he only lost 20 worst case scenario, and only once - the other times he made 30+ If only we knew Par then!!!

Dave

I've got a P1 VIU in my round for a Sunday- could you just confirm the PAR trick for me? I take it it is the first feature on the board, and if there is a jp sign above any of the winlines, you have jp? Or is it a specific reel?

[MordaciousK]

when u had a jp within the 9 fruits on the winzone and one was a jp usually on the top row you would take the first feature while red and would eliminate 2 reels leaving u three fruits to choose from the jackpot and two others and in would come the jp and there are still quite a few machines about that do this! this is a quote from spamspamspamspamspamspamspamspamspam

[MordaciousK]

P1's

Reel 3 above winline, let it timeout.
Usually after the main streak or a single JP...

[Choptastic]

This prob is a ludicrous idea, but hey, we're on a fruit machine forum so why not?!

Say playing SRM and it offers SRM top streak and you carried on and never collected it- carried on for anther board then kept doing the same thing about 4 times, then collected- would it be likely to offer it again on the next board and increase the chances of kickstarting a better streak.

The only reason I ask is that on this machine, I find when it gives SRM before a jp is offered, it is often £25 flat with prob one more mega streak or jp in afters. Yet when it starts offering jp's but you push on for SRM, I have found it pays a bit more and offers it again.

About a week ago this machine offered me 5 jp's before giving SRM, that went for £35 and it gave it again in the next board for £25, then next board gave it again- 3 SRM's in a row! It seemed that as I had knocked back the jp so many times, that the streak was increased- could the same thing apply to rejecting the actual SRM as I know you don't have to collect it like on other machines.

Anyone ever tried this?

This "knockback" method used to be pretty standard Barcrest fare (worked on Frenzy + all clones and Lotta Luck + all clones off the top of my head) - although it was eventually chipped out. (Took them a few cracks to get it right on LL though )

I'd be surprised if it worked on any recent Barcrests, especially since it’s a very basic method of play (a monkey can force, a slightly more intelligent monkey can knockback manipulate).

Due to the way (most) Barcrests control their percentage, you can keep refusing JPs and after long enough, just about any Barcrest, set to any percentage (and assuming you can turn the fucker off if it tries to force a JP on you), will go on £100+ streak and potentially empty itself if it’s on a 125 hopper. (If you don’t want to try this on real fruities using real money, try it on the emulator with the early-mid 90s MPU4 Barcrests.)

If the machine was reasonably happy before you went off on the knockbacks, you might clear a profit, £100 in for £120 out for example, but if the machine was in a poor mood and/or on a sub-80% percentage, chances are you’ll be putting in £20-£40 more than you’ll get out. Point being of course, that if the machine was reasnably happy when you started, you’d have made that same profit (or more) in a much shorter space of time without all that fannying about with knockbacks.

Now to get to the question at hand, will this work on SRM?

Well not having tried it I wouldn’t like to say for sure, although TBH I’d be surprised. I wouldn’t surprised if knocking back lots of JPs yields a bigger SRM than usual, or multiple SRMs, but I would be surprised if it yielded an increased profit over normal, “proper” play.

I don’t believe that forcing for SRM is a valid playing tactic on this machine anyway, by the time you’ve forced out an SRM (that may or may not go for more than £25) you could have had the JP in numerous other ways – and if the machine has any more value in it after the first JP, it’ll offer another JP opportunity or high win anyway.

By playing for longer and forcing/knocking back for longer, all you’re doing IMO is whittling down your potential profit against the machine’s %age.

All this of course could well be bollocks if knocking back does work on this machine

[SkillCash]

Hi, I'm new here and have a question about this. If playing SRM and it offers the top streak why would you knock it back 4 or 5 times. At an average of about £4.20 per board you are sticking an extra £20 or so in the pot.

[sheeks]

Hi, I'm new here and have a question about this. If playing SRM and it offers the top streak why would you knock it back 4 or 5 times. At an average of about £4.20 per board you are sticking an extra £20 or so in the pot.

I have to agree with u mate. I don't think that refusing the jp or mega streak makes that much diffrence i have tried this on many occasions and it makes no diffrence al all.

[jjh]

I have to agree with u mate. I don't think that refusing the jp or mega streak makes that much diffrence i have tried this on many occasions and it makes no diffrence al all.

I tried it today and the results were better- It offered first jp after £35 in- pushed on for a couple more boards and got VIU, gambled on just to check- cost another £10 for it come again- went for £30- another board and it gave it again for £35, next board went upto mega streak- £19. It is impossible to tell if the machine would have given this regardless, but I reckon that little extra knocking back bumps up the retur that bit more IMO.

Basically, it was £55 in for a return of £84- not great but a bit better than usual.

Of course, if you are only after jp, then take the first one you are offered, but I find that knocking back jp's on SRM and VIU means it offers better afterplay.

I've found that if you get jp from just one stack and then decline it, you are in for a nice few wins. Yet when all the stacks go up together, it is usually gonna throw you a flat £25 jp or streak with little else.

[drop the lot]

i did this on a bkc when the free win was active "chipped one" got a flash first board must have knocked back 4 jps playing for gt this seemed to set of a cracking streak of £100 it also cost about the same considering a flash was avialible from the start a loss,,, tryed the knock back and its over rated.

ps, "skill cash" where do you get your average board as £4.20 4 jp knockbacks for £20 yeh right!