Gamling strategies when you play the wrong machine

**jjh** · 11th July 2005, 12:55 PM

Although I had a very good day yesterday- I got £17 up off BFU, £30 up off VIU- £22 up on Yabba Dabba Darts, £19 off Never mind the JP's ((I've found a prety decent Sunday service route lol)) I still managed to deplete my profit by getting caught out by a Never Mind the jp's in a different pub. I was going for the force and normally I am good at forcing these machines, but I could just tell it was playing poorly- most it had offered after £40 was £15- but from experience, I felt that once offering such amounts, these machines wouldn't be too far from the mega streak- which came after another £6- it was on red so I thought I've redeemed myself, I'll still be down but not too bad- only to find it only gave a flat £25!!!!

At this point on the machine, I was now £21, foolishly I played on for another mega streak, which again came on red, but for another £25. At this point, I was about £40 on this machine, and decided to cut my losses. I was still up for the day, but it would have been a lot more had I left it earlier.

It was almost like I was caught in a trap, cos I'd put so much in that I did not want to leave it for someone else to win on. Anyway, my question is, after such an experience, what would be the most you'd put in on a poorly playing machine- I know the signs, I knew it was playing poorly, but by the time you know, you can often be £15 in, and it's not so easy to back down and leave with nothing...

**jglenny** · 11th July 2005, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by jjh

Anyway, my question is, after such an experience, what would be the most you'd put in on a poorly playing machine

£0, why would you put any in a poor machine.

**jjh** · 11th July 2005, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by jglenny

£0, why would you put any in a poor machine.

Not a poor machine, I mean a poorly 'playing' machine. Even with good machines, if they have just come off a streak, you can't win on them. Take VIU for instance, it could take £30 for the first jp to appear, and profit can still be made, but you judge this machine by red boards offered and so on.

But it can often take a good £15 to fire these machines up and to be able to tell if its worth forcing, which was my question, what do you do once £15 in and it becomes clear that the machine is simply not ready? Do you leave and count your losses or carry on and try and nick something from it? After sticking £15, do you really want to leave it, just incase some git puts £1 and drops the jp? And so on...

Its an interesting point I feel because unless you are really lucky and the jp comes in straight away, it can often take £15 to warm a machine up- obviously, when it starts offering £10+ on the throws for BFU for example, the force for DM is on, but the signs aren't always there- the last person on it may have collected a £5 win so you need to put a bit in before you can truly judge whether it is worth forcing. We are not always lucky enough to catch a machine just before it jps, so what is the strategy when you try it out and find yourself about £15 and nothing- play on or leave?

**MattB** · 11th July 2005, 06:15 PM

Shouldn't take £15 to tell.....

2 boards is enough for me. Thats about £5-7 usually on these. If it offers fast cash off £1 in or so, ill take that instead.

Matt

**jjh** · 11th July 2005, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by MattB

Shouldn't take £15 to tell.....

2 boards is enough for me. Thats about £5-7 usually on these. If it offers fast cash off £1 in or so, ill take that instead.

Matt

That's the kind of thing I usually look for and it works well, I suppose if I stop and think, I could have worked out it was playing poorly, but it still cost around £10 to tell. Thinking back, it did offer £10 win after £20 in and in state it was playing, I should have took that and left- just down to inexperience I suppose.

BTW Matt, how much is fast cash when it is not super?

**DannyC** · 11th July 2005, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by jjh

BTW Matt, how much is fast cash when it is not super?

Seen it average @ £5, sometimes 7 never usually less unless mc is unhappy.

**kidgloves** · 12th July 2005, 12:00 AM

If you've forced a couple of mega streaks and they are flat £25's then it's not showing much else, then I find taking a red cash amount or cash amount with repeat chance can often squeeze out the extra value.

**Justanewone** · 12th July 2005, 01:16 AM

jjh,

I do exactly the same, you try and cut your losses to a good degree, like 5 in 3 out - fine. But when you get a costly board and you're conception of loss goes out of the window you think fuck it! You continue aimlessly knowing there is no chance of success but hope for SOME RANDOM PERCENTAGE CHANGE!!! (which never happens on m/c's these days, in the good old days it did).

Dave

**jjh** · 12th July 2005, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Justanewone

jjh,

I do exactly the same, you try and cut your losses to a good degree, like 5 in 3 out - fine. But when you get a costly board and you're conception of loss goes out of the window you think fuck it! You continue aimlessly knowing there is no chance of success but hope for SOME RANDOM PERCENTAGE CHANGE!!! (which never happens on m/c's these days, in the good old days it did).

Dave

Exactly, it's all down to discipline- I could have left it at £10 down, which isn't too bad, but I just carried on hoping that the mega streak would be about £40. And it wasn't going to be anymore than £25- I knew it but carried on... I think I've learnt a lot from it though.

**Justanewone** · 12th July 2005, 01:41 PM

I used to think I had learnt from it, yet from time to time I still do it as every scenario is different, ie the MS could go for 75, you just dont know whats in the streak pot. Another thing, how much would you put in max for a board? I always play a board on a m/c to check how happy it is, but when 26 in for a 2 board (c/cobra) what are you supposed to do then?

Dave