Forcing question

[jjh]

Sorry to bring this up again, but I'm still confused about forcing. Bear with me a sec OK?

I am getting familiar with the techniques for forcing, but how does it actually work? Does it alter the payout percentage or what?

Cos if a machine is on a set payout, you can force a machine with £50 and get a £50 streak, which I understand, but what is the difference between simply collecting £3 wins or whatever it offers and keep playing it that way, letting the bank build up? Basically, what does forcing do?

I hear people say if it offers £5+ on the first board it is worth forcing, but if this is the case, it is gonna be ready to payout anyway, the same as it would on a force or collecting smaller wins if you put the same amount of money in.

By collecting £3 wins, I don't mean collect them, but use the money you would use for the force anyway, and let the bank build up. If you catch the machine in forcable territory, then playing it either way should yield he same return overall.

clearly, I am not fully aware of the workings and would be grateful if anyone could help explain this all to me, cheers

[CoasterDesignerpro]

Hi,

When the money goes into the machine the percentage goes lower and if it gets below its target percentage e.g 70% its starts to pay out big.

E.g- if the machine is set on 80% and its pays a win the percentage would go a lot higher to someting like 99% so it needs to take in a lot of money to bring it down below 80% to start to pay out this shows people can lose a lot of money by forcing at the wrong time.

I believe that if offers reasonably large wins (£5+) then force!

[a1056688]

The concept is that with many machines by taking the £5 it will kill the machine stone dead and you would have been more beneficial playing it for the JP or top feature in the hope of getting it before you have had too much money in.

AFU is an example of this. If £5 was offered and you collected it, the machine might go dead for a good few quid and as a result you would not be able to make any money buy continually playing and collecting. On the other hand, had you decided not to collect there becomes a point where the machine realises that it must pay something out to try and level its actual payout % with the payout % advertised.

By using knowledge and methods you are attempting to maximise profits by forcing it for a JP instead of collecting wins. It doesn't affect the % of the machine it is just a method of forcing the machine to level its %.

Maths:

Insert £4 and take £5, continue playing and insert £6 and collect £2 = £3 loss

Insert £16 and take JP = £9 profit


By forcing you also introduce the chance if triggering a streak. Many machines such as Bell Fruits have streak pots. This is a seperate logical pot that is added to each time money is inserted (picture a club machine with a cashpot that rises every other £ inserted). When the streak pot becomes full it will pay a streak out. By forcing the machine you can trigger / activate the streak pot.

[MattB]

Nicely put there!

Bellfruit streaks are probably amongst the best, but are also damn hard to get!

Hit a easy streak/that's magic/lockbuster on a hot red streak and expect £75+ at times...

I've heard a plug or 3 on the red streak can be awesome, though i've never seen it or had it confirmed. Anyone know anything?
Tried something similar on a thunderbirds and it threw out 4 super features (£25 each) in a row!

Matt

[jjh]

The concept is that with many machines by taking the £5 it will kill the machine stone dead and you would have been more beneficial playing it for the JP or top feature in the hope of getting it before you have had too much money in.

AFU is an example of this. If £5 was offered and you collected it, the machine might go dead for a good few quid and as a result you would not be able to make any money buy continually playing and collecting. On the other hand, had you decided not to collect there becomes a point where the machine realises that it must pay something out to try and level its actual payout % with the payout % advertised.

By using knowledge and methods you are attempting to maximise profits by forcing it for a JP instead of collecting wins. It doesn't affect the % of the machine it is just a method of forcing the machine to level its %.

Maths:

Insert £4 and take £5, continue playing and insert £6 and collect £2 = £3 loss

Insert £16 and take JP = £9 profit


By forcing you also introduce the chance if triggering a streak. Many machines such as Bell Fruits have streak pots. This is a seperate logical pot that is added to each time money is inserted (picture a club machine with a cashpot that rises every other £ inserted). When the streak pot becomes full it will pay a streak out. By forcing the machine you can trigger / activate the streak pot.

cheere mate, that is a good answer and I'll take note of it

You know, there's many forums where such a question would get ridiculed, but I'm glad that here people help everyone out when they ask a question- cheers.