Payout precentages explained...

**jjh** · 16th May 2005, 11:00 PM

I have read Stew's copy and paste job

from some other site on the questions for newbies, but I've got a question about payout % if anyone could help me, or try to even.

Is the payout precentage controlled by value or number of actual payouts, the amount being paid out being irrelevant?

I know forcing helps build up machines payouts where it gets to the stage of boosting you to £10 wins instantly when it is starting to want to payout more, but that is because the person hasn't collected for a while- so forcing is messing up the machines payout percentage- could there be a way of forcing for a while then taking a few £10 wins when it starts to offer them a lot- catch the machine before it pays jp and hope to let the £10 wins add up- get the machine caught up between paying out £3 wins and the jp or top streak feature or whatever.

I ask because I was forcing a 'Never Mind the Jackpots' and the most it offered was red super streak, which I took because I had put £25 in and that was the best it had offered so far, it went for £22, yet I played on and got £10 on cashpot, which I collected then I got a £5 win on the line which I then collected so I was £12 up- not much but I seemed to catch the machine when it was at a block just before the jp and it stayed it the block it would seem. I never played on as I never had time, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened- anyway, how is payout % related to any of this?

jjh

**DannyC** · 17th May 2005, 12:14 AM

This is a good question, which I actually tried to answer but by being soooo drunk atm I didn't want to talk a load of shit on the forums, so I'll let others post first!

**a1056688** · 17th May 2005, 09:23 AM

It's based on value.

**stew** · 17th May 2005, 09:39 AM

Always makes me laugh when people believe the mech will continue to pay when they've not collected the bank...........so it hasn't registered the wins

Stew

**MattB** · 17th May 2005, 01:31 PM

Simple answer......if the machine has taken £1000 and paid out £700, payout is 70%.

Value of wins and number of payouts is irrelevant, it's the total payout over a set amount what the machine counts.

Matt

**resigner** · 17th May 2005, 02:01 PM

And it has to hit that percentage over 10,000 games. So at 30p play, thats £3000 through the slot.

**cfdu** · 17th May 2005, 02:06 PM

no, in theory has to hit % over 10,000 spins. i am not entirely convinced all machines do.

**resigner** · 18th May 2005, 01:52 PM

10,000 spins/games theres no difference. The Bacta rules say 10,000 games though......... when there are 25 of a machine out on site, the manu has to submit a report, produced by Bacta's software, that shows it patterns of payout, percentage and so on.

What would you gain by not hitting a percentage? If the operator wants a lower percentage, he can set it, and operators generally want a machine to hit its percentage week in week out.......

Im pretty much failing to see what your on about cfdu?

**jjh** · 18th May 2005, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by stew

Always makes me laugh when people believe the mech will continue to pay when they've not collected the bank...........so it hasn't registered the wins

Stew

No, I know that is a myth lol.

But you know when you are forcing and the machine begins to boost you up to £10 wins as soon as you get on the board, if you collected that win, could catch the machine in mid streak instead of forcing all the way and risking the machine going dead after a streak?

**cfdu** · 19th May 2005, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by resigner

10,000 spins/games theres no difference. The Bacta rules say 10,000 games though......... when there are 25 of a machine out on site, the manu has to submit a report, produced by Bacta's software, that shows it patterns of payout, percentage and so on.

What would you gain by not hitting a percentage? If the operator wants a lower percentage, he can set it, and operators generally want a machine to hit its percentage week in week out.......

Im pretty much failing to see what your on about cfdu?

i'm just a little suspicious that some machines will not hit target % over 10000 spins. particularly some club machines and lo tecs. i have no way of proving this however, so i guess it doesn't matter.