£150 jacker - it's possible!

[rushmore]

I fed 100 quid into 'Nifty 150' Today. Left on autoplay and then ended up with 47.

Transferred play to bank, lost this for 13.

Changed up 40, this time a series of 25's and wins got me up to 220, autopays whatever u have over 200, so had 20 in tray 200 in bank.

Transferred bank and left on auto play, so with my 20 coins I was 200 in machine 80 quid up.

This went down to 45 in about 7 minutes.

Then got series of wins and built up to 135, so add my 20 coins to this I had 155, 15 up.

Turned around to stick 3 quid in bar-x, played a spin and noticed light in corner of my eye. 12 SEVENS!!!!!!! 3 WINLINES OF 50 QUID!!!!!!

Bank went up to 285 quid, 85 dropped out, so now 105 coins plus 200 in bank, 165 up.

All the munters crept round, "leave it mate, you'll win no more...blah blah"

I enlightened them to the facts concerning 'afterplay' and left the 200 on autoplay, sure enough 10 dead then 5 x25's and a few tens/4's 3's 2'setc., bank regularly chucking out it's excess of 200.

Now I had 190 odd coins plus 200 in bank. 30 quid on autoplay soon went, dropped to 170 and decided to collect.

Machine iou'd at 14 quid left. Suggests that it's floated to about 350 quid usually.

Won't ever play it again. The point of this tale??
Just to say it can be done, but if you don't have a few hundred on you, LEAVE THESE SECTION 16 FVCKERS WELL ALONE!

[SteveDude2]

That's a great result Rushmore, although your comment about 'afterplay' on a supposedly random machine, on which each game has the same chance of winning or losing as the next or the one that preceded it, does sound a bit wide of the mark.

That's like me saying I won the lottery on Saturday, and I'm going to rush out tomorrow and buy 1000 Lucky Dips to see if I get any 'afterwins' of 3 and 4 numbers.

Or I was playing roulette, and betting 27 and the neighbours by 5, 10/11 split by a pony, 15 on, change on 0/3 each spin. I hit 4 numbers in a row, but stayed for a few more bets to see if there was any afters left in the wheel.

Still, a decent result nonetheless, in fact the best I've heard on a Reflex game. Quit while you're ahead methinks...

[rushmore]

Sorry, very bad logic - the section 16's are NOT RANDOM!!

They pay out in cycles just like any other, set to meet their percentage over x amount of spins (unlike roulette and lotto which have theoretical/mathematical percentages rather then real-time percentages)

The very fact they have a pre-programmed percentage (which by logic MUST therefore be achieved over a certain number of spins/plays) tells you that one result is influenced by another, i.e. when you've had a string of 25 wins for the 2 cherries/2 7's you will come across a dearth of the 25 wins until it is READY to pay again.

I have observed this in motion, same old lo-tec gameplay, eg. long 'sucking' periods followed by enhanced payout periods.

Put it this way, I'll happily stick 50 in it after EVERY time I see somebody win the jackpot, and they walk away immediately!!
That's how sure I am!

[SteveDude2]

I can appreciate what you are saying, but Section 16 games are random. They have an RNG connected to them which give random numbers, and the result of each game is dependant on those numbers. There is nothing to say it has to make it's percentage over so many games like, say an AWP does, but the more games that get played the closer it will get to it's percentage and each game is independant of the last.

Reflex Gaming's machine should be no different, and I'd be surprised if they are because they would be illegal.

[benroles]

They are random and I believe operate like US slots.

When play commences a random number is chosen. This number then corresponds to a pay out. By programming what each number / payout link is a payout percentage can be set.

Take the following example. A machine costs 25p a go. When played it generates a random number - 1,2,3 or 4, 5. The machine then looks up each payout as follows:

1: pay out £1
2: pay out £0
3: pay out £0
4: pay out £0
5: pay out £0

So in theory, for every £1.25 put in the machine there is a payout of £1.00 (i.e. 1 in 5 chance of a payout). This machine has a payout percentage of 80%. Over the long term this will be achieved yet still operates on a completely random basis.

B.

[rushmore]

If these are random, my cock's a kipper!!

OK, let's hear stories of 4 150 jackpots in 20 plays then, you know the sort of thing that will surely occur to somebody on these 'random' machines!


Let's hear tales of putting 300 quid in without ONE 25 quid win, or no wins (again SURELY we would have heard this by now if they were 'random'....)


Illegal?? Do you honestly think the manufacturers and arcade owners have ANY respect for the law or BACTA regs?

I know what I see. These are NOT random.
Just watch them over a period of time, see the patterns emerge, just the same as an electrocoin red bar or bar-x.

[a1056688]

Do you honestly think the manufacturers and arcade owners have ANY respect for the law or BACTA regs?

How rediculous.

Of course they abide by the BACTA regulations.

Obviously there are some crooked Arcade owners and indeed smaller distributors but the larger orgainsation will certainly follow the rules.

[Booked_moss]

Yes these are random (well as random as you can get using a computer, which is not truely random, but its well beyond any of us reading this to work out a way around it).

The fact they are random is why i dont play them, i feel i may as well put all my money on Virtual Horse racing (i.e. i wont bother).

Just think for every streak type story on these with it being random there will be lots of dead periods, at least with AWP's you know that it has to payout at somepoint to make its percentage.....

But then again if you Rushmore think you have found a pattern then keep shut and make yourself a fortune over the comming years...I somehow doubt it though.

[DannyC]

I know nothing about lo tecs apart from put money in and spin. But surely if these machines are '100% random' then there would be NO percentage on them, as there would be no need?

[SteveDude2]

The percentage is worked out by taking all the possible reel combinations, adding together the total money won from them and dividing by the amount of money it would cost to play each of these winning and losing games once only, as Ben said yesterday.

Just the same as if you cover all numbers on roulette (single zero) with £10 you will lay out £370, but you will get £360, or 97.3% of your money back. The game's edge is 1/37, or 2.7%.

Where random comes in is that each of the 37 different outcomes (to use roulette again as an example) has the same chance of coming out as any other on every game, and the result is not influence by events before or after - it is still 1/37.

So to say that Nifty £150 goes dead and takes money until it is 'ready' again is just plain daft, as the game isn't supposed to know what it has paid out from one game to the next. It will have a running percentage, but this doesn't influence the way the game plays - the law of averages and the fact that the machine is on less than 100% takes care of that.