what a balls up!

[a1056688]

I dont know how to play lotecs at all and probably never will.

There obviously is money to be made from them and ppl like Kid, with good knowledge can exploit that.

Personally if i knew how to and had the opportunity to consistently make money from lotecs then i would, entertainment factor or not. However i dont think im in a position to start learning (too many hi tec AFU and the like about) and Im happy with my weekly profits at present so dont really have the inclination to get involved.

Respect to those like Kid and CFDU that do have the lotec knowledge base and patience to put it into practice and make consistent profits

[kidgloves]

Repsect to all who can write in paragraphs.

[glasagowblue]

I had slight debate on this issue with a1056688 on another thread where i said that the temptation to experiment and test ideas on "unknown" machines invariably eats up your profit from playables.

To be fair to a1056688 he/she did say they only play what they know they will win on.

The question is then is it better to sit back and let others find the way then jump onto the bandwaggon for a short ride or is more profitable to be first to find an expolit or "method" and rout as many sites as possible for as much as possible before the general player becomes aware ??

My own feeling now is that with long cycles and false backing being built into machines to directly eliminate the "pro" player then perhaps the time has come to only play what you know for sure will pay out -- but then no one will play to learn - and eventually no one will play for real.

The future of AWP's is going to be rather simplified for us all i fear. Party Time 65 seater machine in the arcade and a video roulette with 35 "0's" and 1 number in the bookies so we still have somewhere to offer up our coins to.

[a1056688]

The question is then is it better to sit back and let others find the way then jump onto the bandwaggon for a short ride or is more profitable to be first to find an expolit or "method" and rout as many sites as possible for as much as possible before the general player becomes aware ??

Good point.

I feel the majority of 'methods' these days will not be found out through playing but leaked from the inside or discovered by play testers who are not wasting their own cash investigating.

Recent simple methods such as extremes, wombats, dnp and the big cheese family naturally prooved more beneficial in the early days before others joined in are were relativley simple to work out / discover.

Hitecs these days however have generally become less progressive, streaks have been staggered etc and it is arguably alot more difficult for the player to identify potential.

What is the state of play with lotecs these days compared with the past? Is the trend similar?

[kidgloves]

As I mentioned in my earlier post, some types of lo tec are much more cyclic and as such represent an attraction to me...the earliest bar x's were scheduled to pay out according to the Electrocoin 'ladder' which was not biased by forcing/refusals and as such still work well today but there is no player advantage except the obvious full hopper and going on after a good amount has been seen to go in.
'Feature' Jackpots which pay out on more recent lo tecs are available every 2-3 hours of playing at worst and can pay anything between £25 and £150 at a time. The difference to me is that these features are always there..i.e you can play for them and always get them if you see it through whereas Hi Tec streaks are less easily obtainable in my view.
I am only talking about a certain type of machine here and as such this doesn't represent the whole scene.
As far as recognising potential goes, it's not that easy. You can't get a picture of where in the cycle it is by playing a few quid. As I said earlier it's more knowing the recent history of payouts, cash in etc.
I've heard and experienced the horror stories of Magic 10's/7's taking £150 for the first win, but have to say I've experienced an awful lot of £5 in £45 out and similar figures.
I prefer the relative 'lack' of knowledge of lo tecs compared to hi tecs overall.

[tedrogers]

The problem with lo-tech is that,even if you know your machine, you are still going to have to accept the odd spanner in the works from time to time. that is a simple fact (tricks excepted obviosly). I myself like the golden games (and variants) myself but can tell you plenty of horror stories. what you are looking from lo-tech is overall long-term profit, and they have been good to me from this angle. I know a few lads who like their lo-techs, and consider them shit hot, but believe me they still have their bad days, and when it goes bad it goes bad in style!