The Naked Truth?

[kendodd]

Having returned to the fruits after a long spell away (and after many, many years of experience) I have been rethinking the whole business.

Proposition: Fruit machines are programed to pay out between 72% and 78% of the cash that they take in. = Accepted

Proposition: It is impossible to predict when (or whether) a fruit machine will pay out big time. = Accepted

Proposition: In the long run, fruit machines keep 22% to 28% of the money played (including recycled payouts). = Accepted

Proposition: Fruit machines have hot streaks and cold streaks but it's impossible to predict which one you are in until its over. = Accepted

Proposition: What happens on a fruit machine is controlled by a computer program, not by what the player does or doesn't do = ? Arguable?

Just think about it.

Maybe forcing is just an urban myth, like many of the emptiers that are rumoured to exisit. Although I believe any guy given the job of writing a fruit machine program would be a clunk not to insert a nice little sub routine that could give him a payout whenever he wanted. Maybe some of these do leak ourt or are discovered by accident or by observation of other players.

I do believe that when a new fruit machine is placed in a location it is programmed to pay well for a few weeks to get the munters to believe it's an easy machine to beat, but after a few weeks or so, they payout ratio is adjusted. They can't do that? Oh yes they can.

I'm coming round to the idea that the best method is to try a fiver in each machine you meet. If you win, play up your winnings. If you lose your fiver, quit. We all know about the big wins that come after your first pound or two. So how did you force that?

[Topthelot]

both agree and disagree

alot of emptiers are mythical, many times the term is bandied about loosely when actually the tactic is a manipulator (making machine pay - for a short period - above its %age profile) or just a method (good way of playing machine without any *trick*)

For example, the method for Big Cheese/ Hi Flyer/ Hot Dog. the tactic doesnt cause the machine to do anything against its intended programming just maximises potential cash and minimises time & risk in getting it. Its basically force for JP and hope for the dump of 2 more JPs and a bit of afters.
There are simple ways to tell if machine is ready for the JP though - on cash shots are you getting £4+ wins, are you able to survive 2 or more ?, did machine give superboard, hold after lost cash gamble on small wins. Once you have a feel for how the machine plays its possible to judge in no more than £5 if machine is worth playing.

other machines are far more difficult to predict though

[cfdu]

even with bc/td/hf etc you are still hoping tho. if you force it too early then it will not flash, and think there are a few chips for these anyway. some will give you the 50/75, others the streak is more staggered, so gives a jp, then nowt for a while, then jp etc. also giving 4+ on shots and surviving ? could just be afterplay from someone else's streak, and the machine is just trying to sucker you into forcing it again, which obviously will result in a loss. this isn't just true of these machine's either. forcing for the jackie or a streak isn't always the best way of playing. sometimes if it offers you a large win for very little in its best to take this and walk. its all about judgement, and if possible knowing the immediate history of the machine to see if its worth getting involved with punting it. you cannot make much just walking up to a random machine and forcing everytime. reading how it is playing and knowing when to cut and run is just as, if not more important than knowing when it is worth forcing and hoping for a streak.

[deejaybee]

cfdu wherabouts in Brum are you based/play ?

Northside myself.

[stew]

know of an unchipped LOTR and CTL near Chelmsley (ruff as fuck area mind you!)

deejaybee, if your north, im up in Telford in two weeks so you know any decent locations in the area?

[deejaybee]

Stewart: A good mate of mine visits Telford quite often ( have tagged along a few times ) so obviously cant give locations.....

I know that on a recent trip, a lot of decent stuff had gone anyway.

[Slotterman]

Well Kendodd,all I can say is,you've chosen a particularly bad time to start thinking about playing again.
I think most long term players are cutting down or thinking of giving up altogether...

[kidgloves]

Too right....It's like having a box of chocolates that 5 years ago had 10 different centers and now has 5 different centers to choose from.
God I'm pissed.

[cfdu]

i'm in the centre now but used to be south of the city in solihull

[kendodd]

Why don't people use PMs when they want to talk to another individual instead of going off topic. I was hoping to start an interesting and useful thread here. It really pisses me off! cdfu seems to do this all the time without thinking.