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Reply With Quotemaybe im a complete donk but u should have re raised
I have to fold trips?
Pretty low on confidence right now, im the middle of a 6 buy-in downswing... Dont have a hand history for this bad boy.
Playing 50NL and I raise to 1.75 when its folded to me on the BTN with Ad 10s (i think) and the BB calls. We're pretty deep, i think i have something $110 and he has about $95 something. We've been playing for a couple of hours and he seems pretty solid but have seen fire some bluffs and get creative a couple of times.
The flops is 10c 7c 2s. He checks to me and i bet $2.50. He calls.
The turn is Jc. He checks and i check it back.
The river is the 10h. He checks to me again and i bet $5.75. The BB check/raises to 20.75. And im like wtf. I fold. Is he doing with air like ever or c/r for value with anything i beat?
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
maybe im a complete donk but u should have re raised
You gotta think he has pocket 7's, maybe pocket 2's or he caught the flush on turn. Check raise on the river when the second 10 pops is crazy if you are doing it with air, as alot of ppl would be calling with a 10 or any decent pocket pair.
He may have had AQ, AK, but if hes been solid, i think you have the correct read and laid it down well enough.
Shipping the river never even crossed my mind.
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
Shipping the river would be pretty suicidal imo. Our hand is a bluff-catcher and we're probably losing to most of the hands in his value check-raising range. I think villain most likely has JT, 98 or a flush - I'd expect a reasonable player to checkraise the flop with a set, deep-stacked on a twotone board. It's pretty hard for him to have air here - everything got there on the turn.
So... Losing to most of his value hands + unlikely to be bluffing = fold?
There's a right way to do everything, and everything must be done in the right way.
I totally call this. I think he can only raise the river with a full house, high flush, straight flush or bluff. A high flush is possible. A full house seems quite unlikely with you having a 10 and him check/calling the flop. I think at least 60% of the time he is on a complete bluff as the board is very bluffable here so I definitely call.
Why is he checking the river with a hand though? It gives us the opportunity to bluff, and he can check-raise us off it because most of the time we are super-scared of this board. I reckon this guy could have A high and his check-raise on the river dominates every other strategy. Therefore our bet/call also dominates the rest of our strategies.
What bluff hands actually get to the river though? Every draw got there on the turn. Like Scote said, for the river to be a bluff, he has to float the flop with no pair no draw, and *then* decide not to lead the river. People just don't play this way at 50nl, and this is almost never a bluff. If I were to call here, it'd be in the hope that he was value-raising worse (eg QT).
There's a right way to do everything, and everything must be done in the right way.
meh i call.
Walking away is easy. The hard part is standing up.
He reads us as strong from the preflop/flop action, has fished his draw and wants to extract max value. If we'd have bet behind on the turn he would have made exactly the same move as he did on the river IMO.
I'm slightly suspicious of his failure to lead the river given his turn trap-check failed to get us to bite, but not enough to warrant calling IMO.
It's possible he's raising with a weaker T, but only if he's a donk.
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