Call this river?

[Aidan77]

No history, havent seen him do anything crazy retarded yet. This line makes no sense. Bet the turn to get value from draws and random 10's in his range, can i just muck right there? Check back?

Full Tilt Poker Game #12555236337: Table Hartke (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:16:16 ET - 2009/06/01
Seat 1: Qlli-imuri ($50)
Seat 2: Moshiach ($50.75), is sitting out
Seat 3: hial ($59.55)
Seat 4: syki ($77)
Seat 5: Aidan78 ($50.75)
Seat 6: allcheck85 ($52.75)
allcheck85 posts the small blind of $0.25
Qlli-imuri posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Aidan78 [Qc Qh]
hial folds
syki folds
Aidan78 raises to $1.75
allcheck85 folds
Qlli-imuri calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [6s Ks 2s]
Qlli-imuri checks
Aidan78 checks
*** TURN *** [6s Ks 2s] [Td]
Qlli-imuri checks
Aidan78 bets $2.50
Qlli-imuri raises to $7
Aidan78 calls $4.50
*** RIVER *** [6s Ks 2s Td] [5c]
Qlli-imuri has 15 seconds left to act
Qlli-imuri bets $11

[Odyssey7]

Personally I think you have to assume as soon as you get re raised on the turn that you are behind on this hand. And therefore you have to fold.

On a flop where all cards are same suit I think you have to lead out to get rid of drawing hands and to find out whether or not you are already behind (in this case I think there is a good chance you are). I don't really see your bet on the turn as being one of value as by that stage you have no idea where you are in this hand - you are losing to any King Rag, any two spades and some pocket pairs and add to that you are going to be outdrawn by number of other hands.

[salty1]

Hi Aidan.. not wishing to presume.. I wouldn't mind giving my opinion only to see how it compares to more experienced opinions, thereby giving me the opportunity to learn. As you have no info on villain.. I personally would have raised on the flop and been done with the hand if called.

Regards
Salt

[PokerWoody]

I'd fold river with no history. I might or might not fold the turn.

[Dice Man]

I fold the turn. If he thought you were betting the turn with just a flush draw then he could raise there with nothing. But he doesn't believe you have a flush draw because you would have CBed the flop. It's possible he thinks you have nothing at all based on your flop check, but how likely this is is hard to tell. That's the problem with checking your hand in position on the flop. If I'm calling the turn then I'm calling any non-spade river for sure.

[Gorvacofin]

I like a cbet on the flop to get value from FDs. As played, I'm probably folding the turn without history. Agree with Dice Man that you should probably call the river if you call the turn, since the semibluff part of his range - if there is one - missed.

[Aidan77]

I did indeed call the river. It felt pretty spewy but god damn it when people take these lines i can't help but look them up. Checking back felt pretty standard but i guess i can get value from draws and define my hand better if i do fire flop. However i dont expect to be check/raised a whole lot when i bet the turn so i dont hate my line. Mainly though, its pretty hard to make a flush and as LC said he doesn't rep a whole lot else.

[Dice Man]

WHAT DID HE HAVE?

[PokerWoody]

Agree with Dice Man that you should probably call the river if you call the turn, since the semibluff part of his range - if there is one - missed.

This just doesn't make any sense imo. If your plan is to call any river then deffo fold the turn. The reason to call the turn and fold the river is that a) there's a reasonable chance he isn't going to follow through with his bluff and we might have the best hand, b) we are getting some pretty decent odds on the turn. On the river i doubt he's bluffing enough (considering this is now for value much more often as when he is bluffing the turn he is checking the river some %, which he isn't when he is value raising) for calling to be profitable and we are getting much worse odds.

There are players where you can apply the call turn = call river thing, but I think we need a read for that. We don't have one here.

[ongame player]

I think he has either a flush or AK, with As.
I think most people are betting the turn with any other made (weak or not) hand.