What is the secret to playing against trips?
Or is there simply not one?
Decided to play a few deep stack tournies today online.
1st one - 2,000 odd players and was knocked out in two hundred and something position. I had pocket kings raised 4 x BB pre flop and had one caller. Flop 3 4 9 (pot sized bet called) then J on turn and I put the rest of chips in only to see 33 in other guys hand.
2nd - Smaller tourney but still played for two hours before my 22 (i was big blind) got put all in on a 2 5 9 flop. Two other callers one with 55, the other 99 (Yep it was pokerstars).
3rd - Pocket 3s - I call a min raise from blind to the wildest player on table. Flop AK9 (no action). Turn a 3 - he raises i go all in he shows pocket 9s - out in 400th position out of 3k.
None of them bad beats - just sick timing. But I can never ever spot trips unless they are trip Jacks and above when the pre flop betting gives it away.
Is there a way or are they simply black holes whereby you cant ever see them but if you get too close you're fcuked.
firstly, "trips" is generally when one of a players hole cards matches a paired board. This can be easier to get away from than a "set" which is what you are talking about (pocket pairs hitting the flop)
In most online tourneys, where the blinds are too big, you generally cant fold an overpair to a raggy board and have to fear the worst if the money goes in. Too many players in these tourneys overplay top pair and your overpair is often good. In deepstack tourneys you can fold your overpair to aggression and look for a better spot.
There are some good tourney players on this forum who routinely fold AA and KK post flop to undercards on the board (not as a rule of course but as a result of good reads and betting patterns)......I wish I was one of them....
There is no secret, you just have to analyse the players in play and bet/raise right amount.
I was getting trips in live poker all the time! And by the sounds of it I had a tell, which is not good!
Agree completely with swinebag. Sure, you'll get done sometimes early on in tournaments but in my experience you'll be good most of the time and simply be up against top pair good kicker - certainly often enough to make it unprofitable for you to be $hitting your pants about a set every time you have AA or KK.
Later on it's slightly easier, as you'll find more spots preflop where you can price out any suspected set-miners limping in front of you.
Dont fold sets in donkaments. Ever.
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
fypOriginally Posted by Aidan77
Walking away is easy. The hard part is standing up.
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It sounds like you are shoving way too easily. I can't tell from the description of the first example, but in the 2nd and 3rd you were out of position when you risked your tournament life. In the 2nd example, you had a weak set and led out with all your chips which was probably a mistake (unless you were fairly short stacked of course - I'm assuming you weren't) - I would have thought a large-ish bet to get information would be more optimal in that spot. In the 3rd example, the same thing - a large bet would help define your opponents hand, and with the big cards landing on the flop, he could have checked the flop to raise on the turn, especially given the possible straight possibilities. trying to price him out may have been better than shoving, and when he re-raises you know he is sitting on a monster hand and can at least make an educated play. You may still throw all your chips in, but at least it won't feel like you were somehow sucked out on afterwards as you are in control.
The secret is:
Knowing when your oppo has them.....
"That's a typical shabby Nazi trick, Wilson"
If you have a set, raise... and if you get re-raised, a warning light should go off... your opponent has a great chance to have a monster hand. Fold.
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