Couple of live hands
Couple of live hands that I played that I’d like opinion on. Both take place in £20 f/o game run by the London Poker meetup in a pub. 24 runners, 5000 starting stack, starting at 25/50. 20 min levels for first hour, 15 minutes thereafter. Standard is pretty lol, with around five good players, the same number of bad tag's and the rest clueless. This is only the second time i've played this game but the previous week on the final table bubble we were playing four handed the button made it 2400 at 400/800, i shoved with A-2 for 5100 total and he folded.
Anyway to the hands:
Hand 1) Blinds are 25/50, 8 handed we hold Ks-Qc in the cut-off
We are about 10 hands in we’ve yet to get involved and have roughly our starting stack. The table has been very limp-cally, with limp,limp,limp,raise, call, call, call being a familiar pattern.
There are three limpers and one fold before it gets to us, we limp behind given the read on the table. The button then makes it 200 (lol), ). We’ve previously seen the button take this line tonight and he got to showdown with K-J after ‘value betting’ all three streets on a j-2-3-2-6 board and losing to j-3o which had obv limp called. He has won some chips back and is playing around 4k, we’ve played with him before and knows he overvalues marginal holdings. He also likely views us as aggressive due to us having <10bbs for a long time when we played previously, so I was open-shoving a lot and he folded Ace-x, twice to our <10bb shoves a fortinight ago. Anyway back to the hand in question, the small blind calls, big blind folds, all three limpers call (pot 1100). We make it 1800 to go. Thoughts?
Hand two:
Blinds 50/100, 7 handed table, we hold 8-6dd in the cut-off. Utg+1 covers, Me: 6300 Small Blind: 6500
Utg+1 raises to 400, he’s a French student who whilst a massive station likely has a strong holding as the only other hand we’ve seen him raise pre-flop with is A-Q which flopped two pair and he played it strongly post flop. We’ve also seen him check call OOP on two streets with just queen high (on an A high board), in the process putting plenty of his stack at risk. In short I think we can stack him should we hit good, so we take a flier with 8-6dd (should we just fold pre?) and the SB comes along as well. Small blind is one of the more experienced players at the table, he’s early 30s and is definitely a live player having talked a lot to a friend at the table about playing at The International and The Empire. However I’d place him in the bad live player group, he’s previously limp call OOP with Q-8s and done nothing else apart from limp a lot complaining that ‘ there’s no point in raising as everyone calls’.
Flop (pot 1300) 2d -3d-Js
Two checks to me, I lead 900 (thoughts on this, in hindsight I think peeling is better due to the cally nature of the table), small blind makes it 2500 and the utg+1 orginal raiser just flats (wtf?). (pot 7200). We have c.4600 left. If we think our nine flush outs are good should we ship it.? Who folds with a 30bb stack and a soft table?
'I figured if I ever went broke at poker, it wouldn't be because my best wasn't good enough to keep me afloat. It'd be because my worst was bad enough to sink me.'
No worries Dan thanks for the reply
FWIW in the first hand i did actually just call, it just occured to me afterwards that raising it up could've been a viable alternative line. As it happens the flop came 7d-2d-2. BB led for 200 into a 1400 pot got one call, I passed, btn called. Turn king, river x, got to showdown BB had J-8hh for jack high, btn had k-10.
As for the second hand, agree folding is better, it was one of those where i look at the hand (brain says fold), pick up chips (brain still says fold, yet hand is moving forward), pot chips in the pot (brain still says fold). Online i have hte auto-fold btn clicked in this spot.
I cashed in the first one of these purely by playing solid and straightforward and getting to showdown with the best of it.
'I figured if I ever went broke at poker, it wouldn't be because my best wasn't good enough to keep me afloat. It'd be because my worst was bad enough to sink me.'
In the first hand cant we just make it 325 and stack off if we make a pair? Im not sure i wanna play KQo in a multi-way with donks who could easily get me off my TPGK hand with crazy whattheythinkisvaluebettingaments. Limp raising here is interesting. Most likely though we just get called by passively played better hands. Are we looking to isolate the BTN OOP? I dont like the sound of that.
In the 2nd hand as played PF i would probably take the free card i was offered. Getting c/r there sucks hard. Dont mind the call PF, he sounds like the kind of player we wanna get in pots with IP.
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
Im folding both hands. The need to play such weak hands at that stage is nil.
Trouble follows this bag of bones
You're folding KQo in the CO against a couple of limps from bad players? Oh man. Id at least limp along.
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
trouble is 9/10 times flop comes k j 3 and you pot it only to be raised by said muppett with k3.
Trouble follows this bag of bones
That happens 9/10 when you squeeze limpers with KQo in the CO? Man you run bad lol. Dont let the nit police get you?!
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
No. Not just any limpers, pub/club game limpers. There a special breed.
Trouble follows this bag of bones
cant believe you raised in the first hand (and you didn't). I'd play it exactly how you actually did.
Calling in postition with 86dd is fine in a deepstack, but this isn't a deepstack so fold. As played fold too. There are better spots to double up in these games. Your FE is non existent so you are only shoving for your flush outs.
When you said you were going to try and play live more since your move to London, was this what you had in mind??
How many times have hit the cash tables at the Vic???
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