Tilter's Anonymous Thread! Post your tilting moments here!

**Barnfather** · 17th March 2009, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Wakou

Nasty stuff Padster, but:

22 IS ahead of AKos Pre-flop....

How do others play little pairs pre, agg or call and hope for a set? Vicki Coren said the other day that she usually like to RR with them.
How about AKos? I am so fed up with getting 'em in and losing I play more passive pre and see a flop.

I had the exact same situation as padster last night (I was AKo vs 22), and I had a little argument with the moron in the chatbox about this very thing.

Essentially, whether it is good play or not is beyond the coin-flip nature of these two hands going heads-up. In my situation, I took the lead UTG by betting big (something like 5xBB) to show strength from early position. Homeboy I was up against went all in from the button with 22's. His 2's held up and busted me out (we were comparable stacks).

Now, doesn't this come down to the gap concept and having to have a stronger hand to call a raise than lead with one? In his situation, he risked his tournament life in a situation where someone under the gun had already shown a lot of strength. Ok, so I had KAo but I could have been playing a high pair just the same way. In fact, I could be playing ANY pair the same way and have him completely mullered pre-flop. Shoving with 22 in his position was just bad play, especially as I had been pretty tight up to that point and certainly wouldn't be risking a bluff from that position. Even I had been holding 33's I would have been a 75% favorite with my offsuited anna's.

So whilst the odds calculators classify it as a coin-flip, playing that low-pair in such a way is asking for massive trouble and is completely non-optimal.

In Padsters hand, his opponent was even MORE moronic, as at the point he shoved all-in, there had been two hands showing strength ahead of him.

In terms of playing low pairs, for me its a case of trying to see a flop cheaply from early position and hitting a set or folding. In later position I would re-raise if there hadn't been any raises beforehand but once again, if you see the flop and miss then muck em, unless you just want to gamble.

AKo's are harder...If the position is right and I am getting a little short stacked then I tend to shove, but if I have room for actually playing poker, I tend to treat it for what it is - an Ace high hand, and if I am drawing dead beyond the flop then probably abort. One of the biggest mistakes I see other people make is falling in love with them, calling down to the river and then being beaten by some mundane hand.

I'm hardly Tom Dwan though, so my way of playing them is probably wrong, but hey

**tfeilding** · 20th March 2009, 06:07 AM

I think the issue that got Padster pissed off is the guy shoved his 22 after a raise and a reraise when he had zero fold equity.

As for rfph's min-raise with AA - dont do it! Minraising sucks and just screws you over time after time.

**ThePadster** · 20th March 2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by tfeilding

I think the issue that got Padster pissed off is the guy shoved his 22 after a raise and a reraise when he had zero fold equity.

As for rfph's min-raise with AA - dont do it! Minraising sucks and just screws you over time after time.

EXACTLY !!

**rfph1** · 20th March 2009, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by tfeilding

As for rfph's min-raise with AA - dont do it! Minraising sucks and just screws you over time after time.

A little harsh - my min raise with AA was heads up, where any sign of weakness normally results in a re-raise. At this stage his call left him with 8BBs and therefore hard for him to fold post flop - a situation where unless he hits 2pair or better you take the game. +ev imo.

I agree min raiseing AA in a table with >3 or 4 players is p*ss poor play, but not in this situation.

**Steve A** · 22nd March 2009, 01:12 AM

fuck the dumbass moron call, fuck the crappy river, fuck my luck and fuck poker!

***** Hand 1514613187 *****
25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 22 March 2009 01:02:40
Holdem (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: tero- (1040.00)
Seat 2: HDI940 (2985.00)
Seat 3: DIPDIBRED (600.00)
Seat 4: nono3379 (933.00)
Seat 5: Cajones (1395.00)
Seat 6: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 7: Brastad (1455.00)
Seat 8: kintiswood (1610.00)
Seat 9: joselejos (1177.00)
Seat 10: Igov (3805.00)
nono3379 post SB 25.00
Cajones post BB 50.00
** Deal **
tero- [N/A, N/A]
HDI940 [N/A, N/A]
DIPDIBRED [N/A, N/A]
nono3379 [N/A, N/A]
Cajones [8s, 6d]
Brastad [N/A, N/A]
kintiswood [N/A, N/A]
joselejos [N/A, N/A]
Igov [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
Brastad Fold
kintiswood Call 50.00
joselejos Call 50.00
Igov Call 50.00
tero- Fold
HDI940 Call 50.00
DIPDIBRED Call 50.00
nono3379 Call 50.00
Cajones Check
*** Flop(Board): *** : [6s, 8c, Jc]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
nono3379 Check
Cajones Check
kintiswood Check
joselejos Check
Igov Bet 100.00
HDI940 Call 100.00
DIPDIBRED Fold
nono3379 Fold
Cajones All-in 1345.00
kintiswood Fold
joselejos Fold
Igov Call 1345.00
HDI940 Fold
*** Turn(Board): *** : [6s, 8c, Jc, 6h]
*** River(Board): *** : [6s, 8c, Jc, 6h, Jd]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3140.00
tero- Fold Win: 0.00
HDI940 Fold Win: 0.00
DIPDIBRED Fold Win: 0.00
nono3379 Fold Win: 0.00
Cajones [8s, 6d] Full house Win: 0.00
Brastad Fold Win: 0.00
kintiswood Fold Win: 0.00
joselejos Fold Win: 0.00
Igov [5c, Jh] Full house Win: 3140.00

**Wuddle** · 22nd March 2009, 01:37 AM

had the worst evening ever playing omaha.

its almost amusing that my stats are "pots won at showdown 1/13", and i was at least a slight favourite in 10 of them. Just a succesion of the board pairing when i have nut flush or the board not pairing when i have top set.

The best one was where some spaz who was tilting 4 bets me with 259Q and we get all in preflop and he destroys my AAJQ.

**ThePadster** · 26th March 2009, 01:30 AM

***** Hand 1521061837 *****
1.50/3.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 26 March 2009 01:23:45
Table TH 1014 (Real /Cash Game )
Seat 2: verasporti (412.71)
Seat 4: KasperMads (300.00)
Seat 5: ThePadster (611.15)
Seat 1: Blackbirdx (125.57)
Seat 3: qqquuu (120.00)
verasporti post SB 1.50
qqquuu post BB 3.00
** Deal **
verasporti [N/A, N/A]
KasperMads [N/A, N/A]
ThePadster [Kc, 10c]
Blackbirdx [N/A, N/A]
qqquuu [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
KasperMads Raise to 10.50
ThePadster Call 10.50
Blackbirdx Call 10.50
verasporti Fold
qqquuu Call 10.50
*** Flop(Board): *** : [8c, 2s, 10s]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
qqquuu Check
KasperMads Check
ThePadster Bet 36.00
Blackbirdx Call 36.00
qqquuu All-in 109.50
KasperMads Fold
ThePadster Call 109.50
Blackbirdx Call 109.50
*** Turn(Board): *** : [8c, 2s, 10s, 9c]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
ThePadster Bet 186.00
Blackbirdx All-in 5.57
*** River(Board): *** : [8c, 2s, 10s, 9c, 5h]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 3.00 Total Pot: 380.14
verasporti Fold Win: 0.00
KasperMads Fold Win: 0.00
ThePadster [Kc, 10c] Pair of tens Win: 0.00
Blackbirdx [5d, 5s] Three of a kind, fives Win: 380.14
qqquuu Fold Win: 0.00

**Steve A** · 27th March 2009, 05:42 AM

***** Hand 1522740665 *****
0.05/0.10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 27 March 2009 05:29:39
Table TH 19 (Real/Cash Game)
Seat 1: Ineed2ski (6.62)
Seat 5: bunbu69 (9.65)
Seat 6: @@@" (1.03)
Seat 7: Cajones (18.75)
Seat 9: jose321 (11.12)
Seat 10: karvanapa (11.35)
Seat 8: jl20031 (10.2

Seat 3: xxxLutz (9.54)
Seat 4: shengluo (7.56)
jl20031 post SB 0.05
jose321 post BB 0.10
shengluo post BB 0.10
** Deal **
Ineed2ski [N/A, N/A]
bunbu69 [N/A, N/A]
@@@" [N/A, N/A]
Cajones [Kh, Qs]
jose321 [N/A, N/A]
karvanapa [N/A, N/A]
jl20031 [N/A, N/A]
xxxLutz [N/A, N/A]
shengluo [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
karvanapa Fold
Ineed2ski Fold
xxxLutz Fold
shengluo Check
bunbu69 Call 0.10
@@@" Fold
Cajones Raise to 0.70
jl20031 Fold
jose321 Raise to 2.35
shengluo Call 2.35
bunbu69 Fold
Cajones Call 2.35
*** Flop(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
jose321 Bet 5.40
shengluo All-in 5.21
Cajones Raise to 10.80
jose321 All-in 8.77
*** Turn(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d, Qh]
*** River(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d, Qh, Kd]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 1.49 Total Pot: 28.46
Ineed2ski Fold Win: 0.00
bunbu69 Fold Win: 0.00
@@@" Fold Win: 0.00
Cajones [Kh, Qs] Straight to the king Win: 0.00
jose321 [Ah, As] Ace high straight Win: 28.46
karvanapa Fold Win: 0.00
jl20031 Fold Win: 0.00
xxxLutz Fold Win: 0.00
shengluo Fold Win: 0.00

**tfeilding** · 27th March 2009, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Steve A

***** Hand 1522740665 *****
0.05/0.10 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 27 March 2009 05:29:39
Table TH 19 (Real/Cash Game)
Seat 1: Ineed2ski (6.62)
Seat 5: bunbu69 (9.65)
Seat 6: @@@" (1.03)
Seat 7: Cajones (18.75)
Seat 9: jose321 (11.12)
Seat 10: karvanapa (11.35)
Seat 8: jl20031 (10.2

Seat 3: xxxLutz (9.54)
Seat 4: shengluo (7.56)
jl20031 post SB 0.05
jose321 post BB 0.10
shengluo post BB 0.10
** Deal **
Ineed2ski [N/A, N/A]
bunbu69 [N/A, N/A]
@@@" [N/A, N/A]
Cajones [Kh, Qs]
jose321 [N/A, N/A]
karvanapa [N/A, N/A]
jl20031 [N/A, N/A]
xxxLutz [N/A, N/A]
shengluo [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
karvanapa Fold
Ineed2ski Fold
xxxLutz Fold
shengluo Check
bunbu69 Call 0.10
@@@" Fold
Cajones Raise to 0.70
jl20031 Fold
jose321 Raise to 2.35
shengluo Call 2.35
bunbu69 Fold
Cajones Call 2.35
*** Flop(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
jose321 Bet 5.40
shengluo All-in 5.21
Cajones Raise to 10.80
jose321 All-in 8.77
*** Turn(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d, Qh]
*** River(Board): *** : [10s, Jc, 9d, Qh, Kd]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 1.49 Total Pot: 28.46
Ineed2ski Fold Win: 0.00
bunbu69 Fold Win: 0.00
@@@" Fold Win: 0.00
Cajones [Kh, Qs] Straight to the king Win: 0.00
jose321 [Ah, As] Ace high straight Win: 28.46
karvanapa Fold Win: 0.00
jl20031 Fold Win: 0.00
xxxLutz Fold Win: 0.00
shengluo Fold Win: 0.00

I think if I had a hand like that I'd just have to laugh.

**tfeilding** · 27th March 2009, 09:32 AM

The first hand is more annoying than the second. He called my flop bet with the dummy end gut shot and a back door 2-high flush draw. My river bet was to make hands like his 2c fold and if I had checked it was inviting a bet.

People might think the shove in the second hand looks fishy, but I like it. The end result I didn't like so much.

***** Hand 1522779256 *****
15.00/30.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Friday, March 27, 2009 11:03:42 AM
Cooler (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: yucadavid (1500.00)
Seat 2: tfeilding (1500.00)
Seat 3: Musti1_123 (1500.00)
Seat 4: ttania (1500.00)
Seat 5: sergePoker (1500.00)
Seat 6: jarus_b (1500.00)
Seat 7: asturlucas (1500.00)
Seat 8: pokerewu (1500.00)
Seat 9: jonathan2 (1500.00)
Seat 10: eetteri (1500.00)
tfeilding post SB 15.00
Musti1_123 post BB 30.00
** Deal **
yucadavid [N/A, N/A]
tfeilding [8h, 7h]
Musti1_123 [N/A, N/A]
ttania [N/A, N/A]
sergePoker [N/A, N/A]
jarus_b [N/A, N/A]
asturlucas [N/A, N/A]
pokerewu [N/A, N/A]
jonathan2 [N/A, N/A]
eetteri [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
ttania Call 30.00
sergePoker Fold
jarus_b Fold
asturlucas Fold
pokerewu Fold
jonathan2 Fold
eetteri Fold
yucadavid Fold
tfeilding Call 30.00
Musti1_123 Check
*** Flop(Board): *** : [5h, 4c, 6c]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
tfeilding Bet 60.00
Musti1_123 Call 60.00
ttania Fold
*** Turn(Board): *** : [5h, 4c, 6c, 8c]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
tfeilding Bet 180.00
Musti1_123 Call 180.00
*** River(Board): *** : [5h, 4c, 6c, 8c, Ac]
*** Bet Round 4 ***
tfeilding Bet 210.00
Musti1_123 Call 210.00
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 990.00
yucadavid Fold Win: 0.00
tfeilding [8h, 7h] Straight to the eight Win: 0.00
Musti1_123 [2c, 9d] Ace high flush Win: 990.00
ttania Fold Win: 0.00
sergePoker Fold Win: 0.00
jarus_b Fold Win: 0.00
asturlucas Fold Win: 0.00
pokerewu Fold Win: 0.00
jonathan2 Fold Win: 0.00
eetteri Fold Win: 0.00

***** Hand 1522790062 *****
100.00/200.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Friday, March 27, 2009 11:29:07 AM
Turbo Cooler (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 2: viki6ona (1270.00)
Seat 3: p-expert (3280.00)
Seat 4: riverUA (1555.00)
Seat 9: tfeilding (2975.00)
Seat 5: dodo90 (1575.00)
Seat 6: super09 (1750.00)
Seat 7: CHICO. (1225.00)
Seat 8: dadaom13 (1370.00)
Seat 10: Unknown (0.00)
riverUA post SB 100.00
dodo90 post BB 200.00
** Deal **
viki6ona [N/A, N/A]
p-expert [N/A, N/A]
riverUA [N/A, N/A]
tfeilding [Ad, As]
dodo90 [N/A, N/A]
super09 [N/A, N/A]
CHICO. [N/A, N/A]
dadaom13 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
super09 Fold
CHICO. Call 200.00
dadaom13 Fold
tfeilding All-in 2975.00
viki6ona Fold
p-expert Fold
riverUA Fold
dodo90 All-in 1575.00
CHICO. Fold
*** Flop(Board): *** : [2c, 5d, 5s]
*** Turn(Board): *** : [2c, 5d, 5s, 2d]
*** River(Board): *** : [2c, 5d, 5s, 2d, 4d]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 3450.00
viki6ona Fold Win: 0.00
p-expert Fold Win: 0.00
riverUA Fold Win: 0.00
tfeilding [Ad, As] Two pair aces and fives Win: 0.00
dodo90 [7d, Qd] Flush to the queen Win: 3450.00
super09 Fold Win: 0.00
CHICO. Fold Win: 0.00
dadaom13 Fold Win: 0.00