Hows that for a flop/turn/river

[S6TAV]

***** Hand 1357828869 *****
10.00/20.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 11 December 2008 00:04:45
€3,000 GUARANTEED (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: NibbeSP (2795.00)
Seat 2: Motzfeldt (2190.00)
Seat 3: facocero65 (1970.00)
Seat 4: Blain. (1960.00)
Seat 5: ZFTeRR0r (1860.00)
Seat 8: S6TAV (1235.00)
Seat 6: gradient21 (2010.00)
Seat 7: joseko1 (1980.00)
Seat 9: mondy72 (2000.00)
Seat 10: piter270 (1980.00)
ZFTeRR0r post SB 10.00
gradient21 post BB 20.00
** Deal **
NibbeSP [N/A, N/A]
Motzfeldt [N/A, N/A]
facocero65 [N/A, N/A]
Blain. [N/A, N/A]
ZFTeRR0r [N/A, N/A]
S6TAV [Ac, 4c]
gradient21 [N/A, N/A]
joseko1 [N/A, N/A]
mondy72 [N/A, N/A]
piter270 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
joseko1 Fold
S6TAV Call 20.00
mondy72 Fold
piter270 Fold
NibbeSP Call 20.00
Motzfeldt Fold
facocero65 Fold
Blain. Fold
ZFTeRR0r Call 20.00
gradient21 Check
*** Flop(Board): *** : [Ad, As, 4h]
*** Bet Round 2 ***
ZFTeRR0r Check
gradient21 Check
S6TAV Check
NibbeSP Check
*** Turn(Board): *** : [Ad, As, 4h, 4d]
*** Bet Round 3 ***
ZFTeRR0r Check
gradient21 Check
S6TAV Check
NibbeSP Bet 20.00
ZFTeRR0r Fold
gradient21 Call 20.00
S6TAV Call 20.00
*** River(Board): *** : [Ad, As, 4h, 4d, 4s]
*** Bet Round 4 ***
gradient21 Check
S6TAV Bet 180.00
NibbeSP Raise to 360.00
gradient21 Fold
S6TAV Raise to 640.00
NibbeSP Call 640.00
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 1420.00
NibbeSP Fold Win: 0.00
Motzfeldt Fold Win: 0.00
facocero65 Fold Win: 0.00
Blain. Fold Win: 0.00
ZFTeRR0r Fold Win: 0.00
S6TAV [Ac, 4c] Four of a kind, fours Win: 1420.00

Turns out the river avoided a chop because he was claiming to be holding the other ace. I was gutted when he said that because i could have easily chucked in the remaining 500 odd. I wanted it to seem like a was playing the board and thought a shove would scream i have the 4?? what do you reckon?

[Dice Man]

LOL there is no way that this is not a shove. TBH I'd call the shove playing the board, probably not even realising that another ace beat it. With an ace I probably call up to another 100 blinds.

[S6TAV]

Yeah looking at it now it is a pretty simple shove. Which would more then likely have been called. I think at the time I thought he might re-raise again

Dan please enlighten us mear poker mortal n00bs and tell me how you would have played it

Couldn't seem to get anything going in this tourney was pretty dead for the first hour (apart from above) then after the break I hit a few good hands but like all MTT's you have to take some rough with the smooth and this hand pretty much crippled me and I was card dead for the remaining hands
I had previously seen this player shove and show down Ace rag on many occassions so knew i was more then likely going to be racing.
When I saw the 8 on the flop I thought sweet but nothing is that simple


***** Hand 1357903639 *****
100.00/200.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit ) - 11 December 2008 01:15:00
€3,000 GUARANTEED (Real /Tournament )
Seat 1: NibbeSP (5076.00)
Seat 2: gedalo100 (3093.00)
Seat 3: nelsifon (2423.00)
Seat 4: Blain. (7063.00)
Seat 5: ZFTeRR0r (3297.00)
Seat 6: amour29 (2950.00)
Seat 8: S6TAV (5482.00)
Seat 7: e alloraaa (2865.00)
Seat 9: Unknown (0.00)
Seat 10: piter270 (1230.00)
amour29 post SB 100.00
e alloraaa post BB 200.00
** Deal **
NibbeSP [N/A, N/A]
gedalo100 [N/A, N/A]
nelsifon [N/A, N/A]
Blain. [N/A, N/A]
ZFTeRR0r [N/A, N/A]
amour29 [N/A, N/A]
S6TAV [8c, 8d]
e alloraaa [N/A, N/A]
piter270 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
S6TAV Raise to 600.00
piter270 Fold
NibbeSP Fold
gedalo100 Fold
nelsifon Fold
Blain. Call 600.00
ZFTeRR0r Fold
amour29 All-in 2950.00
e alloraaa Fold
S6TAV Call 2950.00
Blain. Fold
*** Flop(Board): *** : [8h, 9h, 10c]
*** Turn(Board): *** : [8h, 9h, 10c, 6d]
*** River(Board): *** : [8h, 9h, 10c, 6d, 7s]
*** Showdown *** : Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 6700.00
NibbeSP Fold Win: 0.00
gedalo100 Fold Win: 0.00
nelsifon Fold Win: 0.00
Blain. Fold Win: 0.00
ZFTeRR0r Fold Win: 0.00
amour29 [Jc, Ac] Straight to the jack Win: 6700.00
S6TAV [8c, 8d] Straight to the ten Win: 0.00
e alloraaa Fold Win: 0.00
piter270 Fold Win: 0.00

The beat bugged me a bit but what bothered me more is that within about 15 minutes of this hand he donk'd all the chips of to other players and was out calling all - ins with gut shots etc

[Aidan77]

Lead flop and get it in vs an ace. Poker is so simple. You just slow played yourself out of a ton of value...And you gotta be shoving that river!!!!!!!

[Pinocchio]

fold or raise pf
bet flop
bet turn
shove river
sorry but i think you misplayed every street.

[S6TAV]

So what happens when i lead out on the flop and nobody holds an ace i suspect a 0% call rate

Im not raising with that hand in that posistion I dont mind limping with a suited ace in early levels when the blinds are low. If this gets raised a decent amount pre-flop by another player dont have any illusion of me still being in the hand

Would ahve been horrible folding that though and seeing that flop

Just curious what size bet would you have made on the flop aidan/pinocchio?

[Dice Man]

I check the flop. I usually check the turn as well. Only thing I would change is to push all in on the river when you are raised.

[CitrusSR]

fold or raise pf
bet flop
bet turn
shove river
sorry but i think you misplayed every street.

I agree with the turn and river but I think there is an argument for limping with A-X suited early on in these tournaments if you can get in cheaply in multi-way pots. When you do hit the flush, a lot of players will get over excited with the king high flush - or any flush for that matter!! So it can be worth a punt, maybe in a later position than that though.

Also I probably check the flop to give them a chance to hit a weaker hand/encourage action on the turn.

If I did check the turn I would have raised the bet + call.

Why would he just call the river if he was holding the other ace?! Saying that I saw someone check quad sixes the other day when they were last to act on the river, oh how I lol'd.

[swinebag22]

So what happens when i lead out on the flop and nobody holds an ace i suspect a 0% call rate

then you would have got 0% on the other streets too. Also because there are 2 aces on board then that reduces the chances of people holding an ace, so PPs may call a flop bet here

Would ahve been horrible folding that though and seeing that flop

just remember, that if you had have folded you may not have got the same flop


PS I dont think limping with Ax suited in the early stages is bad (but I prefer a raise!)

[Pinocchio]

I agree with the turn and river but I think there is an argument for limping with A-X suited early on in these tournaments if you can get in cheaply in multi-way pots. When you do hit the flush, a lot of players will get over excited with the king high flush - or any flush for that matter!! So it can be worth a punt, maybe in a later position than that though.

Also I probably check the flop to give them a chance to hit a weaker hand/encourage action on the turn.

If I did check the turn I would have raised the bet + call.

Why would he just call the river if he was holding the other ace?! Saying that I saw someone check quad sixes the other day when they were last to act on the river, oh how I lol'd.

yeah sorry limping with a suited ace early on is not that bad. i just never open limp because i cant be bothered to balance a open limping range but if your not going to play against people regular it doesn't matter. I still think raising is better because it keeps our range wider, builds an aggro image. when you open limp in late position you are kind of playing your hand face up i.e. small pp, suited ace/connector. If think if we raise pf, then this is a board we must fire c-bets at all the time so i would expect to get floated by an ace, 4, pocket pair, maybe even kq or something a lot and when they do have a hand like in the op we get more value.