Cash Games .50 / $1
Had a big win on a torny so started playing cash (won $500)
and the max you could sit down with was $100
Firstly what i dont get is people when they do their bet on the flop (no matter what comes) - they bet $7 (as they tend to raise $4) - for a starft i find this stupid because that is almost one tenth of your stack, when they have nothing!!
But anyway how gay is this........
Pocket 3s guy raises i call (i played it bad i know, but still unlucky)
he bets out $7 dollars i call, on the turn he bets $14 - i call - and this is with overcards obviously - i just had a feeling i was ahead. then on the river comes an ace (at which point i know im fucked) and he checks i check - he has ACE 2 (no ace on the board until the river) - so i had an idiot betting into me - who bet in total $28 with ace 2...... (one third of his stack...)
Also had pockets 8s. Flop came dangerous like 678 (two other players ) i ened up gioing all in anyway - guy calls has jack high - hits the straight on the river (a 4 outer i beleive as he had jack high straight...)
Again - Ace 9 - flop comes king jack jack - and i bet - they raise - i at this point KNOW im ahead even with ace high (as theperson was just trying to bully) and go all in - they call - They have queen 10 - on the river - they hit a ten........ (you might say it was a fair call but still, they had 3 queens, 3 tens and 3 aces as their outs 9 outs - so a 20% chance of winning) and yet they still fucking win
And another time - again, people being aggressive as hell turns out at the time they were betting they had FUCK ALL - yet he hits a fucking straight and i had a lower straight lol. And these arent 'classic' bets e.g. where they have say for example 15 outs that can make them win and soa good chance of winning. they were betting where like e.g. they had 5 outs and yet they were hitting each one
And as you can guess, my $500 winnings are now down a lot lol (to like $160 ....)
The only thing i can take fromt his is that i know, in the long run, people who are playing like that will end up losing money. Putting all their money in with so few outs for them.
But what pisses me off - is that i finally get a big win, and i was just hoping i could get a bit of luck and mybe build it up a bit .... and in typical style, not only do i not get luck, but i get extreme bad luck !!!
and i still do not get why people are betting $7 on the flop (into what is usuall an $9 or so pot) when their stacks are only $100 - it just seems like such a large portion to bet when they have FUCK ALL - even when they have Jack high or something....
/End of whinge
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what are you doing playing 100NL with 5 buyins?
read scrotes article on Bankroll management.
Read a few articles on post flop aggression and how to play against it.
One thing I will venture, is that players are not really putting in 10% of their stack when they continuation bet. Most of the time they are playing within their bankroll and can easily reload at no real significant loss.
You seem to play cash as if you are playing a tourney, and they are very different beasts.
Yeah good point i guess they have a big bankroll. But i also get the impression a few of them want to double up then withdraw it as quick as poss! and i just started playing it lol just to give it a go. But now youre saying this i can see where im going wrong.
BUt even if they did have the bank roll - thats the point, it didnt matter because i knew i was calling / betting when i was ahead - but i was constantly having them get lucky on me!!!
Originally Posted by ajtombs
If you are just calling when you know you are ahead, you are not really defining your hand and you are giving your oponent a chance to catch up and in some ways deserve to be sucked out on. Raise it up!!
Again, in tournaments in marginal situations, its sometimes ok to just call to keep the pot small. In cash there isn't that fear of going broke. If you are so convinced you are ahead, raise it up and make them pay to suck out.
edit: The time where you did raise, you were only beating a bluff (and in some instances, losing to a bluff. Get poker tracker, it gives you a better idea of how your oponents play rather than labelling them bullies.
edit edit: If anything scrote and woody say is different from this, then take their advice!
Stack size is hardly relevant at this point, the point of betting is to win the money on the pot. Because we can reload our stack we aren't really risking x% of it, that is just the wrong mindset, this isn't a tournament.
CBetting too much is a leak and one you should exploit. Not cbetting enough is a bigger leak.
Walking away is easy. The hard part is standing up.
Standard c-bet is about 2/3's the pot and $7 into $9 isn't that far off, i probably c-bet 6.50 here. These hand postings aren't detailed enough, give us the proper histories? People who c-bet 100% of flops are playing bad, people who c-bet 20% are playing worse. Which flops to check back or c/f, especially in 3-bet pots is a problem which i am yet to find an answer to.
"You have to give way too much action to get way too much action"
yeah see what you mean swine bag
in the hand where i had pockets 3s and he had ace 2 - i just knew i was ahead, and when he bet $14 i should have raised it to 40 dollars or so... (i think the only reason i didnt is because of Donks that will carry on betting/calling with any ace - all i wanted to see was that no ace came out )
and with the king jack jack flop - again i took the risk that my ace 9 was good (potentially the other person could have had a higher ace) but one thing i knew for certain was that the kings and jacks had not hit their hand.
But as i said...... people like that - continuation betting into EVERY pot they play - and people making ridiculous calls when they have like a 15% chance of winning the pot will eventaully lose!!
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