Question time.

**waltypies** · 29th June 2008, 12:32 AM

Situation.

14 left in the 40 euro deepstack top 10 get paid.

We are 6th in chips here and have an average stack. Blinds are 500/1000/100

What are we doing here?

***** Hand 1140060117 *****
500.00/1000.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:24:41 AM
DEEPSTACK €3,000 GTD (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: KianAA (21120.00)
Seat 4: winerorwater (18281.00)
Seat 5: Crni. (18836.00)
Seat 6: RBL13 (22008.00)
Seat 7: waltypies (25660.00)
Seat 8: lost2 (35672.00)
Seat 10: petie10 (20885.00)
petie10 post SB 500.00
KianAA post BB 1000.00
** Deal **
KianAA [N/A, N/A]
winerorwater [N/A, N/A]
Crni. [N/A, N/A]
RBL13 [N/A, N/A]
waltypies [10h, 10s]
lost2 [N/A, N/A]
petie10 [N/A, N/A]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
winerorwater Fold
Crni. Fold
RBL13 Fold
waltypies Raise to 2500.00
lost2 All-in 35672.00
petie10 Fold
KianAA Fold
waltypies ?????

Read on the guy puts him on AK or AQ here and yes we can be that precise. So do we want to flip in this position. Winning this puts us CL with over 52k folding leaves us ok but limping into the money.

Whats the general view of this forum?

**lev1athan** · 29th June 2008, 12:37 AM

If our read really is that precise I'm calling, otherwise I'm folding.

**waltypies** · 29th June 2008, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by lev1athan

If our read really is that precise I'm calling, otherwise I'm folding.

So you want to race that late for the CL??

Edit the reason why this read is pretty precise as it was basically an insta all in. Generally when folk do that you know what your up against

**rodbuck** · 29th June 2008, 02:11 AM

I fold. You left with 22k. It was obvious AK. You know that.

Better spots to be had late in tourney. Fkin Ijot.

Told u to fold...but big bollocks came out. yeah 50/50..do it early not late.

I love u Ben.

**Dice Man** · 29th June 2008, 03:59 AM

Fold it. I don't see how it's so obviously AK/AQ here. Is this guy not raising with AA or something? I think you're an underdog to his range, at least 55:45, and therefore not worth the call here.

**reevio** · 29th June 2008, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by waltypies

Read on the guy puts him on AK or AQ here and yes we can be that precise.

It's funny how when people are sat facing a reraise with a mid pair and want to call they decide they can "read" them for exactly AK or similar.

Complete nonsense obviously as there are plenty of people who shove JJ, QQ, KK, AA there as well.

I reckon it's a pass. True you want to be aiming for 1st and not scraping into the money, but you also want to be the guy reraising and giving the opponent the decision with fold equity.

**Bazzzzza** · 29th June 2008, 11:38 AM

Its at best a flip,its an instafold for me with that ammount of chips left after u fold....put it in ur black book, and outplay the donk after.

**waltypies** · 29th June 2008, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by reevio

It's funny how when people are sat facing a reraise with a mid pair and want to call they decide they can "read" them for exactly AK or similar.

Complete nonsense obviously as there are plenty of people who shove JJ, QQ, KK, AA there as well.

I reckon it's a pass. True you want to be aiming for 1st and not scraping into the money, but you also want to be the guy reraising and giving the opponent the decision with fold equity.

It was obviously AK or AQ as he has played the same hand and shown like 3 times.

He tried to be a little tricky when he had a big pair like QQ or KK

I had been on his table for most of the game so my read was pretty soild. Its really fustrating when people make comments like 'how do you know' when you are 99% certain you can put him on a range of hands!!! Then again you have played a gala poker tour event so i should listen to everyword?!!??!?!

**reevio** · 29th June 2008, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by waltypies

I had been on his table for most of the game so my read was pretty soild. Its really fustrating when people make comments like 'how do you know' when you are 99% certain you can put him on a range of hands!!! Then again you have played a gala poker tour event so i should listen to everyword?!!??!?!

Firstly I qualified online for the Gala event and it is plenty outside my usual buy-in. Anyone can get lucky in a tourno as i'm sure you know.

However I do play a lot of tournos and think it is a mistake to assume that you can put someone on a "range" that includes only 2 specific hands in that situation - even if you have been playing with them for a while.

If you ask for opinions on something you should hope to get a range of them, including ones that you may disagree with.

**waltypies** · 29th June 2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by reevio

Firstly I qualified online for the Gala event and it is plenty outside my usual buy-in. Anyone can get lucky in a tourno as i'm sure you know.

However I do play a lot of tournos and think it is a mistake to assume that you can put someone on a "range" that includes only 2 specific hands in that situation - even if you have been playing with them for a while.

If you ask for opinions on something you should hope to get a range of them, including ones that you may disagree with.

the question is do you want to take a flip...........

Not putting the guy on a range of hands.