Short-stack hit-and-runs

[daldai]

I've only been playing online poker for a short time but it is obvious to me already that there is a significant number of people who are not really there to play poker at all, as i understand it. They are obviously playing ten to twenty tables at a time, buying in at the minimum level and not doing anything except moving all-in with premium hands before the flop. Now when you get stung you don't lose as much as on a typical bad beat, or overplaying a hand you shouldn't, but these things are part of poker and, as such, are exceptable. Maybe because you don't lose that much money, most people don't care, but these people are clearly using poker sites to make money without playing poker. Does anyone know whether any sites are doing something about this?

Regards,

daldai.

[piquetb]

"when you get stung" - you've answered it yourself. How can you get stung when you know their hand ? Answer : cos you're irritated at them and try to beat them against the odds. Take their blinds for min raise when you're in position and run from any bet without KK or AA. Problem solved.

Trouble is you play low stakes looking to make a buy in per hour (as opposed to high stakes where they look to make a 30th of that) and you'll never do that against these types. So against them either reduce your expectation toward a few bb per hour (but with increased chance of being positive) or find another game.

[RevStu]

Does anyone know whether any sites are doing something about this?

Why would they care? If someone's playing 20 tables at once, that's a lot of money the site's making from rakes.

[Dice Man]

I used to do this myself before I had enough money to buy in for the full amount LOL. Now they annoy me as well but it's all the more fun to bust them. I especially like the players who sit down at a limit table with about 5BBs. I suppose it's rare to bust a player at limit cash so they add to the fun.

[Guaranteed376]

This topic has always got me going. People talk about me as being a hit-and-run freak in 200 400 PLO on fulltilt and this is my response. Once you sit down and start playing an opponent both online and offline, any money you bet into the pot or lose, is no longer yours. What right do you have to say that your opponent can’t leave or give you a chance to win your money back? None.

If someone sits on your table who you think is playing short stack strategy, the answer is simple, if you don’t want too play them, leave and join a deep stack or another table

[Dice Man]

If someone sits on your table who you think is playing short stack strategy, the answer is simple, if you don’t want too play them, leave and join a deep stack or another table

I agree with you. When somebody doubles up through you within a few hands and then runs off, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth but ultimately you shouldn't care where your lost money goes or where your won money comes from. I would say that banning hit and runners would be analogous to prosecuting people who don't open doors for others. Yes it's bad etiquette not to, but I'd rather preserve the freedom to be an arsehole than ban people from being arseholes altogether.

[Guaranteed376]

They can’t ban it because it how online poker works people move up levels to play people they don’t have the BR for, that’s how the money moves up the levels. If lets say i have a BR of $16k and i think, il take a gamble and join a 200 400 plo table and i double up first hand, ok damn.. i have 32k now.. do i want to gamble with that.. prob not.. I like playing players like that because they are norm thinking about the money and not on the game, but you should respect EVERYONE on the poker table or they will make you pay

[daldai]

Okay, i'm talking about a very specific thing here. I have no problem with people buying in short when they are there to play poker, and i have no problem with people leaving after scooping a big pot. And I agree that if you've been sat down for a while, you've only got yourself to blame for giving them action. The point is just that, in my opinion, it spoils the fun for everyone else by having them there. They're like the people who turn up at a house party without a bottle or a stash and help themselves to everyone elses (well they probably are those people, when they're not walking around asking complete strangers for cigarettes). But, what can you do? If you pay them off just to get rid of them you're only making it profitable for them to come back. I know that giving away your reads on a player to the rest of the table is generally a sick thing to do but in this case would it be wrong to warn the rest of the players that "x is only betting with AA/KK"?

[Guaranteed376]

Okay, i'm talking about a very specific thing here. I have no problem with people buying in short when they are there to play poker, and i have no problem with people leaving after scooping a big pot. And I agree that if you've been sat down for a while, you've only got yourself to blame for giving them action. The point is just that, in my opinion, it spoils the fun for everyone else by having them there. They're like the people who turn up at a house party without a bottle or a stash and help themselves to everyone elses (well they probably are those people, when they're not walking around asking complete strangers for cigarettes). But, what can you do? If you pay them off just to get rid of them you're only making it profitable for them to come back. I know that giving away your reads on a player to the rest of the table is generally a sick thing to do but in this case would it be wrong to warn the rest of the players that "x is only betting with AA/KK"?

What’s it got to do with anyone else on the table? Unless i know the player personally i would maybe say something wile i am not seated but i would not tell anyone at the table.

[JiggeryPokery]

Diceman - Loving this attitude: "I'd rather preserve the freedom to be an arsehole than ban people from being arseholes altogether." ...... LOL! Satre could have said that - or maybe Wilde!