question

[steburnst]

ok, here's a situation from a tournament, i want to know what the ruling is

all five cards have come down on the board with three players still in the hard

first to act checks
second bets
third folds

after this, the guy who acts second (the one who bet) flips his cards over straight away before the guy who checks even has a chance to blink

what's the rule?

[Dice Man]

Usually the guy who is still in the hand has the opportunity to fold, call or raise with the information of the bettor's hand.

Does the bettor think he has won the pot and is showing his hand here anyway? It probably doesn;t matter whatever he thinks he's doing.

[steburnst]

he thought he had won and he had won. i just wanted to know what the rule was. i thought i had heard something about a rule where a player flipping his cards out of turn is folding but i wasn't sure either way really

[Dice Man]

Well he hasn't necessarily won. The guy who's still in could raise and make him fold if he only shows a mediocre hand. You look pretty stupid if you bluff an all-in against him and he still calls though.

[steburnst]

fair play. like i say, i'm not totally sure on some of these technicalities. i find acting in turn solves this kind of thing.

[neildowse]

In a serious game the rule would normally be that his hand is dead once it is shown, but in a friendly game the idea of giving the other guy chance to act with perfect information is clearly the most enjoyable way to go!

[lev1athan]

Correct.


If the person yet to act flipped his cards, it's an auto muck. Even if he has the nuts.

Hang on isn't this different to what Diceman said? You're saying it's a fold WHATEVER, Diceman's saying basically you play on with Player A having all 3 options... unless I've misread something?

[Dice Man]

Yeah I saw Scrote's reply last night, and just thought, "WTF?" Couldn't be bothered in the end to ask him what he meant.

[Dice Man]

That's what I thought you meant yesterday, bit of a strange thing to say. Are you suggesting that this is a form of like level 10 bluff? You know you have the worst hand, make the bet and show like 9 high, guy remaining flips bottom pair and you rake it??

[JiggeryPokery]

This happened at a live game very recently, featuring about 80 runners and quick blinds. Wilful Joker and I were at the same table and were p'd off because of the time lost when the TD had to be called over when one player refused to accept the dealer's ruling on this ...

2 guys in hand, big pot by Turn, NEWBIE A bets and shows hand before Bettor B acts. Bettor B insisted A's cards were hence auto-mucked, but dealer said "No" and said that B simply had more info to go on. B insisted TD be called over, (YAWN and very cross looks from us!). TD gave ruling same as delaer, but B then insisted the written rules be brought over to table (mega yawns and crossness!). This happens after light years have passed (and all other tables still playing). B folds but complains that the written rule shown did not match the situaiton in hand. Go figure! Of course B folded because A had the nuts!