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    So as most of you know I never play tournaments because they retarded. However last night for some reason I found myself registering for one, which I guess makes me retarded?

    The tourney is a $100+9 freezeout. 185 players started with 3k chips each so there are 555,000 chips in play total, and a $20k GTD prize pool. The final table pays $400, $500, $600, $800, $1,000, $1,200, $1,500, $2,000, $4,000, $6000. 20-11 paid $200.

    The hand is from memory so stacks are approx.

    The FT is newly formed so I don't really have a feel for how the table is playing at this point. My plan is to start off quite tight because I have some big loose bad stacks running in god mode behind me.

    Blinds are 2,000/4,000/500

    UTG: 30k
    UTG+1: 25k
    UTG+2: 20k
    MP: 20k
    MP 1: 84k
    HJ : 48k <--- bad man
    CO: 60k <--- me (good man)
    BTN : 90k
    SB : 120k
    BB : 70k

    It folds to the HJ who pushes, we are next to act with TT. Fold or call?
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    This the 20K game on crypto?

    I played this last month and cashed in it as well. For the price tag its pretty good value.

    Anyway I am shipping my chips in there. I seriously doubt you are behind to JJ+ and i reckon his range will include A2+ I dont mind gambling in this spot either for a race as we still have some chips and position left if we call and lose. Calling and winning puts us in a strong position to take the win down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltypies View Post
    This the 20K game on crypto?
    It sure is.

    Okay, maybe an easier way of asking this question is to say...Does anyone know where I can find a ICM calculator for MTT's?

    I agree I have positive equity against his range, but does that still make calling correct?
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    My decision is slightly affected by the fact that I have called in similar situations with TT and lost only to be asking myself afterwards "why did you call Harrington told you to fold"

    I wouldn't feel comfortable calling here even if I had JJ I would lean slightly more to folding. He is not the shortest stack on the table so i dont think his range is that big to be fair. He doesn't have anything invested so unless he is a maniac (which you cant tell at this stage) i would think he is holding something good. At best I think it is a coin flip.

    On the other side though the fact that he just shoved kinda sways me to believe he is not holding JJ+.

    I have changed my mind to him holding a smaller pair like 8,8

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    I folded JJ in similar spot last night. Guy pushed all in but was for 50% my stack and i was confident could outplay most of opposition and folding left me in 2nd place, no move. was aq vs ak and jj was good but too much to call. good fold woody

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    Sorry cant help with you asking if its a correct call or fold here, but as its tournament play I dont think there is such a mathematical answer.

    The fact that each orbit is 11k and there are 2 stacks of 20k, one stack of 25k, and one of 30k (ish) and it is probable that one, two or even all of them are more likely to bust out before I do, and if I move up 3 or 4 spots in the prize pool means instead of winning 400 im going to win 800-1000 im going to fold here.
    I can understand Waltys aggression and going FTW. Im playing slightly more safe and looking to go all in first later, rather than call in this spot, lose, then just go all in next hand with ATC.

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    FWIW this is a really ghey spot. I too like to play tight at the start of a FT as the payout structure is similar to a stt. This is a spot where you're much more likely to be mariganlly ahead, rather than well behind or infront. You've got an M of 5.45 but whilst I think it's close and of course player dependant, given no reads I can't pass 10s here. With the way your table is set up with the shorties to your right and big stacks to your left, you're not going to find too many spots to open steal, so I ship and high five my monitor when I hold.
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