Ewwwww tough donkament spots on multiple streets

**DonkBox** · 14th January 2008, 10:45 PM

No reads this is the 6th hand of a donkament, allbeit at a higher buy-in than you usually play. You've so far played one hand raising A-K utg, getting 3 callers and then c-betting a king high board to win the pot without showdown.

What line do you like pre-flop, bump it up to thin the field or flat call and play for set value?
Will post the next part in a bit
PokerStars Game #14558645545: Tournament #73676452, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/01/14 - 17:06:06 (ET)
Table '73676452 84' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Toppform (4210 in chips)
Seat 2: Boderino (2930 in chips)
Seat 3: MORIÑA (2970 in chips)
Seat 4: WGC1234 (2850 in chips)
Seat 5: mr_euro (2380 in chips)
Seat 6: micke_jons (2410 in chips)
Seat 7: osprey1171 (2930 in chips)
Seat 8: dino1980 (3230 in chips)
Seat 9: ibo_88 (3090 in chips)
dino1980: posts small blind 10
ibo_88: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dino1980 [Qc Qs]
Toppform: folds
Boderino: folds
MORIÑA: raises 60 to 80
WGC1234: folds
mr_euro: calls 80
micke_jons: calls 80
osprey1171: folds
dino1980: ??

**rodbuck** · 15th January 2008, 01:13 PM

Raise 3x.

**DonkBox** · 15th January 2008, 01:34 PM

Right the consensus seems to be to raise it up here. However I think 3x is a little small, as if I make it 240 here the pot is then 340 (assuming BB folds) and it's only costing anyone who wants to see a flop 160, and if the utg+2 raiser flat calls then it's giving everyone else increasingly better odds to call. Worst case scenario we end up with a pot of 920 pre-flop OOP with deep stacks. If i'm going to raise here i'm making it a min of 320 and prob more to get the pot HU.

Anyway I decided to flat call for a number of reasons: We're very deep and I don't want to play a huge pot OOP, I didn't see a raise thining the field very much.

Dan/Rod or anyone else do you think that this is a valid line/reasoning or am I really losing value here??

So here's the next bit:

dino1980: calls 70
ibo_88: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Qh 9h 2h] pot [400 - 5 handed]

**waltypies** · 15th January 2008, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by DonkBox

Right the consensus seems to be to raise it up here. However I think 3x is a little small, as if I make it 240 here the pot is then 340 (assuming BB folds) and it's only costing anyone who wants to see a flop 160, and if the utg+2 raiser flat calls then it's giving everyone else increasingly better odds to call. Worst case scenario we end up with a pot of 920 pre-flop OOP with deep stacks. If i'm going to raise here i'm making it a min of 320 and prob more to get the pot HU.

Anyway I decided to flat call for a number of reasons: We're very deep and I don't want to play a huge pot OOP, I didn't see a raise thining the field very much.

Dan/Rod or anyone else do you think that this is a valid line/reasoning or am I really losing value here??

So here's the next bit:

dino1980: calls 70
ibo_88: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Qh 9h 2h] pot [400 - 5 handed]

Flat calling is for

**DonkBox** · 15th January 2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by lucky_scrote

Donkbox, you are correct that you need to raise a lot here, i raise a lot in your position. Anyhow now you are playing a 4 way pot out of position, if you want to just try to flop a set are you going to muck your hand when the flop comes rags?

I fold to any flop with an a or k on it having only invested 80 chips but depending on flop texture I will lead any undercard flop and also lead a flopped set. 10-7-3 rainbow flop would see me lead for at least 3/4 of the pot. If the flop was more co-ordinated say 6-7-10hhx I imagine i'd still lead but fold to heavy action behind.