A couple of hands

[CitrusSR]

Forum seems a bit quiet so thought I'd post a couple of hands for comments...


1st hand was about half an hour in and I'd hardly played a hand so far. No reads as I was multitabling.

Whats your action on the river?


** Game ID 804618027 starting - 2007-08-06 20:01:14
** Poker Cruise League - Week 14[1401321]:Table 21 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (30.00|60.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- Eskeman sitting in seat 1 with $2120.00
- Peculiar1 sitting in seat 2 with $2000.00 [Dealer]
- RiverKane sitting in seat 3 with $2325.00
- 4h3h sitting in seat 4 with $1895.00
- DaLimey sitting in seat 5 with $4240.00
- CitrusSR sitting in seat 6 with $2255.00
- bothered_ sitting in seat 7 with $1570.00
- WAZN sitting in seat 8 with $1685.00
- Rice2cu sitting in seat 9 with $1745.00
- raffa7 sitting in seat 10 with $2105.00

RiverKane posted the small blind - $15.00
4h3h posted the big blind - $30.00

** Dealing card to CitrusSR: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Spades
DaLimey folded
CitrusSR raised - $145.00
bothered_ folded
WAZN folded
Rice2cu folded
raffa7 folded
Eskeman folded
Peculiar1 called - $145.00
RiverKane folded
4h3h folded

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Hearts, 7 of Clubs, Queen of Hearts
CitrusSR bet - $210.00
Peculiar1 called - $210.00

** Dealing the turn: 6 of Clubs
CitrusSR bet - $660.00
Peculiar1 called - $660.00

** Dealing the river: Jack of Hearts
CitrusSR checked
Peculiar1 checked
CitrusSR shows: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Spades
Peculiar1 mucks:
CitrusSR wins $2075.00 from the main pot

End of game 804618027

Missed a bet on the end there? Or better to play it safe??


As usual I'm posting hands I don't think I played well or I'm unsure about...



** Game ID 804644344 starting - 2007-08-06 20:31:37
** Poker Cruise League - Week 14[1401321]:Table 21 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (100.00|200.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- Eskeman sitting in seat 1 with $1740.00
- Peculiar1 sitting in seat 2 with $1435.00
- RiverKane sitting in seat 3 with $2375.00
- 4h3h sitting in seat 4 with $3645.00
- DaLimey sitting in seat 5 with $4277.50
- CitrusSR sitting in seat 6 with $4895.00
- spiders-wife sitting in seat 7 with $2682.70
- WAZN sitting in seat 8 with $1517.50
- Rice2cu sitting in seat 9 with $1625.00 [Dealer]

Eskeman posted the small blind - $50.00
Peculiar1 posted the big blind - $100.00

** Dealing card to CitrusSR: Queen of Clubs, Queen of Diamonds
RiverKane folded
4h3h raised - $200.00
DaLimey folded
CitrusSR raised - $475.00
spiders-wife folded
WAZN folded
Rice2cu folded
Eskeman folded
Peculiar1 folded
4h3h raised - $750.00
CitrusSR called - $750.00

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Diamonds, 3 of Diamonds, 4 of Spades
4h3h bet - $825.00

CitrusSR folded
CitrusSR shows: Queen of Clubs, Queen of Diamonds
4h3h mucks:
4h3h wins $2475.00 from the main pot

End of game 804644344


On watching this player further after this hand I think I could have been ahead, he was aggressive with a wide range of hands (and eventually called an all in re-raise by me with k2).

But to be honest I really didn't know where I was in this hand. Where did I go wrong?! Call and see a flop? Fold to the re raise? All-in? Call/raise/fold on the flop?!

Or was it ok?? Not having much MTT success lately and starting to doubt myself


EDIT - 1st hands result is in white so highlight to see

[Dice Man]

I haven't looked at the first hand results yet so I'm putting my reputation on the line (the one I hope to get from getting this right) by guessing what the dude has.

In my experience people call from the button when there's been an early-position raiser with any holding that basically a good player would barely play pre-flop at all. In this case I reckon he has ace rag suited, but he could have any suited connector too. My initial reaction to his call is A7s, but that gives him 2 pair on the flop and I don't give him that much respect later on, so I'll go with A8, A9, A6, A5 here. He might put you on KK-JJ. I think if people put you on a high (non-AA) pair they give more value to any ace-rag hand. They know that if they hit the ace with their A2 it's going to be hard for you to get away from KK, especially when they look like they might have KQ, QJs and are stealing on the button. I reckon this guy hits his ace but he pussies out on the flop, and is intending to call down and 2 pair up. I am 80% certain this is correct, even though if this were the case I don't know why you'd post it because it isn't that interesting a hand were that the case. I push the river anyway. I don't put him on the heart draw. KThh is the only worry here, but I doubt he calls with that pre-flop anyway.

2nd hand: tough decision. If I have AA/KK and someone re-raises me pre-flop I often put in another raise that commits us both post-flop, but then I wouldn't min-raise with it in the first place. Most of the time in the position you're in I just 4 bet it pre-flop all in. If he calls with AA/KK then meh, it's online poker and you're not going to get away from those in a tournament game IMO.

Edit: OK I saw the first hand results now, and I am claiming victory. He must have A8, A9 or A5 there. If he has the two pair with A7 or A6 I reckon he puts out a small value bet and you can call him.

[DonkBox]

Hand one is a spot I hate to find myself in as the pot is about 2000 and you and opponent have about 1200 and 1000 left respectively (my figures may be off cos not sure if raise 145 means 145 total or 145 more than the previous bet).

I'm always torn between two lines of thinking here: a) If i'm going to check and then call his bet I may as well have put him all-in on the river (two ways to win the pot) but... b) If I bet am I only getting called by a better hand? Or will a worse hand call me too?

FWIW I bet smaller on the turn here to try to avoid a tough river decision, if he is drawing to the flush then the pot is c.750 on the turn so a bet of around 500 gives him the wrong odds to draw unless he has a str8 draw to go with it.

Hand 2: again not sure of the laddies HH so don't know if raised 200 means to 300, and therefore your raise of 475 means 675?

I think you're ahead on the flop here, leading out is actually IMO pretty weak here, give him the old min-raise if you're feeling funky. Smooth calling also an option obv, but there's enough out there that i'd like to take this pot now if i'm ahead and I think you're.

[PokerWoody]

First hand, just shove for value. If he had a flush draw then gg him, however most flush draws aren’t making it to the river and would be making a huge mistake to do so. So I reckon he likely doesn’t have the flush draw and we’d like to get some value from his Ax type hands which, given you have a half pot bet left, seems likey.

Second hand is a tough spot and really opponent specific. If it’s waltypies say then this would pretty much always be a bluff and I’d favour a flop min raise. Against a lot of online tards though this is never worse than QQ. If I’d never seen this guy min raise before then I’d play it the same way, if he’s a bit of a min raise ninja then just push the flop.

[CitrusSR]

I'm always torn between two lines of thinking here: a) If i'm going to check and then call his bet I may as well have put him all-in on the river (two ways to win the pot) but... b) If I bet am I only getting called by a better hand? Or will a worse hand call me too?

This was exactly my thinking, I would have had a decision to make if he went all in on the river.

Hand 2: again not sure of the laddies HH so don't know if raised 200 means to 300, and therefore your raise of 475 means 675?

Raised is the total amount they've raised to. So if someone bet 100 and then it said raised 400 that would mean that they had actually raised 300. (Simple lol)


Cheers for the replies you two anyway

[PokerWoody]

I'm always torn between two lines of thinking here:

Donk,

Both these lines of thinking can coexist here, but may not be totally valid.

a) If i'm going to check and then call his bet I may as well have put him all-in on the river (two ways to win the pot)

Betting doesn’t really give us two ways to win the pot, this concept only really applies if we can get him to fold better hands than ours, or at least hands with good equity against us where we are not hoping for a call (if I push a combo draw against your top pair for example).

The only reason to check in a situation like this (on the river with a hand you are happy to get all in with) is where you weight your opponents range towards air/busted draws. In this situation we are better of checking as we have no chance of getting called if we bet and we might make him bluff. This though, is obviously not applicable here.

Basically I think betting is best is here simply because it gets the most value from his range which is all we are concerned about. The turn bet really helped us to define his hand imo.

If I bet am I only getting called by a better hand? Or will a worse hand call me too?

I think the answer to this has to be yes, we will frequently get called by worse hands. Ax makes up the vast majority of his range here and if he is willing to call the turn bet, we have no reason to think he won’t also call the river bet getting a little over 3-1.