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    Fairly early in a live deepstack STT, 9 players.
    Blinds are 25/50, we have ~10k and our opponent has ~15k after recently winning a big pot.

    LAG player raises to 300 in LP after 2 limpers and we look down at AKo on the button:

    1a) Flat call.
    1b) Re-raise. How much?
    1c) Fold.

    We re-raise to 1k and LP calls. Pot is 2275.

    Flop is Q high rainbow, LP checks:

    2a) Check behind.
    2b) Continuation bet. How much?

    We bet 1400, LP calls. Pot is 5075.

    Turn is another Q, LP checks:

    3a) Check behind.
    3b) Bet again. How much?

    We bet 2k, LP calls. Pot is 7075.

    River is a J, LP checks:

    4a) Check behind.
    4b) Bet again. How much?
    Quote Originally Posted by waltypies on folding AA pre-flop
    There is a slight arguement for folding but its more retarded than Jeremy Beadles retarded hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirePhil
    Fairly early in a live deepstack STT, 9 players.
    Blinds are 25/50, we have ~10k and our opponent has ~15k after recently winning a big pot.

    LAG player raises to 300 in LP after 2 limpers and we look down at AKo on the button:

    1a) Flat call.
    1b) Re-raise. How much?
    1c) Fold.

    We re-raise to 1k and LP calls. Pot is 2275.

    Flop is Q high rainbow, LP checks:

    2a) Check behind.
    2b) Continuation bet. How much?

    We bet 1400, LP calls. Pot is 5075.

    Turn is another Q, LP checks:

    3a) Check behind.
    3b) Bet again. How much?

    We bet 2k, LP calls. Pot is 7075.

    River is a J, LP checks:

    4a) Check behind.
    4b) Bet again. How much?
    1b) I raise a bit more somewhere around 1500. The 1,000 raise is fine but assuming the limpers fold the pot is now 1400 and it's 700 to call, i'd like to charge him (Walty??) a bit more than 2-1 to continue with this hand even though he is OOP.
    Flat calling here in position with deep stacks is fine too, i think you get more info, as usual, by raising though

    2b) Yep c-bet here, half pot ish. You need more info, and if you bet here you'll also likely get to see the river for free as you have position.

    3a) I check behind here. This LAG player knows you're a solid player and for him to call a raise pre OOP and then flat call a bet on the flop and then check to you makes me suspicious. You also have the added benefits of controlling pot size, you only have ace high and you could be drawing dead here.
    On the river if i miss and the LAG player leads then I prob muck.

    4a) Two options here: i favour checking behind as we've still got over 5k at 25/50 we don't need the chips in the middle to win the stt, but we'd like them. Also if we check behind we'll get to see what the LAG has been check calling with, if i had to guess i'd say 8s-10s or A-Q. But he could have Q-xss here and also he could have KK or AA but the fact you have a-k makes that less likely.
    The other option is to make a post oak bluff and bet about 1/4 or a 1/5th of the pot to make it look like a really milky bet.
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    1) I'd probably re raise to about 1,200 most of the time but flat call sometimes too

    2) Yah, i'd cbet here, I quite like ur amount, if anything I might make it a bit more.

    3) Check behind, this isn't really a good card to second barrel on. Also, I think ur bet amount is too small if you are going to bet (unless you plan to push the river on a wide range of river cards). What hands that called the flop are you trying to fold?

    4) Probably just check but if I bet again it would be all in.

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    1-reraise to about 1k
    2- check behind
    3- bet2k
    4- check river...

    and yeah i am being cautious. what teh fook does the other guy have!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokerWoody
    1) I'd probably re raise to about 1,200 most of the time but flat call sometimes too

    2) Yah, i'd cbet here, I quite like ur amount, if anything I might make it a bit more.

    3) Check behind, this isn't really a good card to second barrel on. Also, I think ur bet amount is too small if you are going to bet (unless you plan to push the river on a wide range of river cards). What hands that called the flop are you trying to fold?

    4) Probably just check but if I bet again it would be all in.

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    Pretty much what I think about the hand, I bet the turn way too quickly without thinking or really paying any attention to pot and stack sizes. River action and result to follow in a bit...
    Quote Originally Posted by waltypies on folding AA pre-flop
    There is a slight arguement for folding but its more retarded than Jeremy Beadles retarded hand.

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    PS It was not me in the hand!

    I did not play a LAG game till 4 handed
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    I dont ever play STTs but . . .

    Preflop - reraise to between 1000 - 1200, i wouldnt ever flat call for fear of a multi way pot.

    Flop - pretty much gotta fire at this, about 65 - 80% pot although id probably stick to the lower side of this range as the pot is reraised.

    Turn - not a great card to second barrel, if he likes his hand on the flop he probably likes it now aswell, i only fire again here if i have a very good reason to think hes floating. if hes decent then this isnt likely OOP.

    River - a bet isnt too bad but i check here the vast majority of the time. he could have spiked a jack here but a bet may push out hands like 99/TT
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    I checked behind on the river and the opponent (holbrook) flipped AA, well played IMO.

    Pre-flop and flop I'm fine with, but my turn bet was awful. I've got a bit of a tendency to fire 2nd and 3rd barrels way too often when I'm playing live STTs, especially if I'm card dead I think I just get the mentality that when I do play a pot I must try to win by any means possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by waltypies on folding AA pre-flop
    There is a slight arguement for folding but its more retarded than Jeremy Beadles retarded hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirePhil
    I checked behind on the river and the opponent (holbrook) flipped AA, well played IMO.

    Pre-flop and flop I'm fine with, but my turn bet was awful. I've got a bit of a tendency to fire 2nd and 3rd barrels way too often when I'm playing live STTs, especially if I'm card dead I think I just get the mentality that when I do play a pot I must try to win by any means possible.

    Yes i have to admit he did play it pretty well. I have to agree i did not like the turn bet very much. Your opponent had been raising with pretty weakest hands and that extra Q would have pretty much switched my betting off.

    E.G raised hands flipped over by him had been J10, Q10, QJ. Therefore you had to put him on hitting the flop the way he had called down.

    In that game maybe a min raise to his 300 may have got him to fold! It seem to do the trick with the others!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FirePhil
    I checked behind on the river and the opponent (holbrook) flipped AA, well played IMO.

    Pre-flop and flop I'm fine with, but my turn bet was awful. I've got a bit of a tendency to fire 2nd and 3rd barrels way too often when I'm playing live STTs, especially if I'm card dead I think I just get the mentality that when I do play a pot I must try to win by any means possible.
    Holbrook can't have liked the 2nd Queen too much though. If you push all-in on the river then I don't see how he can call.

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