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[PokerWoody]

I have been typically aggressive @ about 22/19 and BB is 19/12 - so pretty TAG - and we have a little history of 3betting each other as we are often at the same table. I suspect he's a winning player but he is actually down from the 1.1k hands I have with him.

Seat 1: CO ($29.28 in chips)
Seat 2: BTN ($100.50 in chips)
Seat 3: SB ($213.55 in chips)
Seat 4: BB ($107.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Woody (UTG) ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 6: MP ($160.25 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.50
BB: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Woody (UTG) [2 2]
Woody (UTG): raises to $4
MP: folds
CO: folds
BTN: folds
SB: folds
BB: raises to $12
Woody (UTG): ??

[waltypies]

I have been typically aggressive @ about 22/19 and BB is 19/12 - so pretty TAG - and we have a little history of 3betting each other as we are often at the same table. I suspect he's a winning player but he is actually down from the 1.1k hands I have with him.

Seat 1: CO ($29.28 in chips)
Seat 2: BTN ($100.50 in chips)
Seat 3: SB ($213.55 in chips)
Seat 4: BB ($107.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Woody (UTG) ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 6: MP ($160.25 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.50
BB: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Woody (UTG) [2 2]
Woody (UTG): raises to $4
MP: folds
CO: folds
BTN: folds
SB: folds
BB: raises to $12
Woody (UTG): ??

Call Its fun

[DonkBox]

Smooth calling is fine, you've got position after all. However if you re-pop here you might gain more information about his likely holdings.

[FirePhil]

Hmm, I wrote a repy to this earlier but mustn't have hit post.

Fold. You aren't really deep enough to play for a set and a 4-bet bluff against a TAG player in the blinds when you've raised UTG seems like a pretty bad idea. Even with a history of 3-betting you they probably don't do it light very often. Calling isn't too bad with position, but I think this is probably a fold. Good players don't stack off easily without a big hand, so the board needs to help you out an awful lot to make it worthwhile.

[POB666]

A fold for me here too, with small pairs i like to see cheap flops obviously hoping to hit a set that are often very good for milking, almost any flop is going to be quite worrying for wired deuces.

[PokerWoody]

Yeah, this is a totally standard fold. I've played with him a lot and he will repop me with a widish range of hands but not when I've opened UTG and he is out of postion, he has a real hand and I don't have implied odds to call for set value. In fact even if this was a button raise I still can't really call w/ 22.

Assume we know he has AA, what size effective stacks would you need to make the call?

[FirePhil]

Assume we know he has AA, what size effective stacks would you need to make the call?

~$150 probably. Maybe not quite that much if you know he has AA, people are pretty bad at folding it. I'll tend to look for stack sizes to be at least 15 times the raise, preferably more than 20 times.

[PokerWoody]

~$150 probably. Maybe not quite that much if you know he has AA, people are pretty bad at folding it. I'll tend to look for stack sizes to be at least 15 times the raise, preferably more than 20 times.

I think you're about right. I think i've plugged a bit of a leak in this area becuase i'd always tend to call far to light here simply becuase as walty says, it's more fun that way!

I worked out once, with some very loose assumptions, that I needed about 18-1 to call for set value with all things considered. I was quite supprised, but then I guess this is also what the 5/10 rule is saying. I'd just kinda justified the calls by saying that as we were going to flop a set roughly 1 time in 8 we only needed about 10-1 to call. I was wrong.

[FirePhil]

I think you're about right. I think i've plugged a bit of a leak in this area becuase i'd always tend to call far to light here simply becuase as walty says, it's more fun that way!

I worked out once, with some very loose assumptions, that I needed about 18-1 to call for set value with all things considered. I was quite supprised, but then I guess this is also what the 5/10 rule is saying. I'd just kinda justified the calls by saying that as we were going to flop a set roughly 1 time in 8 we only needed about 10-1 to call. I was wrong.

I used to do the same thing, then realised that I'd need the other player to stack off every time I flopped a set AND my hand to win.

But calling is still more fun