All in with QQ

[jjh]

A couple of people posted that they would be playing QQ all in pre flop.

OK, so I think this is wrong in many situations.

You're at a cash game and doing quite well, I'd say people respected your bets and about 2 hours in you get QQ

Blinds are $0.25/$050, you get QQ and raise $5.

Player who has been playing a seemingly tight game raises you all in- to the tune of $80.

Do you call this all in?

If so, why?

[jjh]

Just read this and fully agree.

"Sometimes, it becomes obvious your opponent has AA or KK, they are normally tight, conservative players but are re-raising or going all-in pre-flop – they appear to have no sense of fear of losing the hand. In that scenario, you should consider folding your hand, AA vs. QQ or JJ, you are a 82% to 18% underdog, AA vs AKs, you are even worse at 88% to 12% underdog. Sklansky also rates these top five hands in this same order."

[Raiser]

Yeah call... why not!

You need to stop assuming that your opponants have you beat all the time... if you keep folding to preflop reraises you will keep getting repopped.

[trustme]

Why are we raising $5 preflop, is this the standard opening raise on this table?

[Raiser]

Ok lets take this seriously just for a minute!

What sort of range do you honestly put the guy on? What do you think the weakest hand he would make this sort of raise with is? I could have a guess but seeing as you are the one who posted the hand and at the table you need to answer the question....

[PokerWoody]

Probably fold, but how about if you were playing against these guys

[Dice Man]

You seem to only ever be content with having the best hand at every opportunity, and the chances of this happening are incredibly unlikely. Basically you'd need to have AA pre-flop and then flop another two aces, and then have the turn give no possible straight flushes. I don't know what the chances of this happening are, a million to one? When you have QQ pre-flop you have the 3rd best hand. Unless a queen flops your hand will be worse post-flop than it was pre-flop, due to sets, straights and flushes, and any draws and pairs devalue your hand. If you're not willing to put it all in pre-flop with QQ, are you prepared to raise with it pre-flop, get a caller, a flop of J65 two suits, he re-raises you all in, do you fold it there? Your hand is worse there than it was pre-flop, so according to your theories about when to call this should be an easy fold. By the time the river comes you'll probably have the 20th best hand even if there are no straights or flushes.

I'm not sure I've ever folded QQ in a cash game but then I don't play many of them. I can imagine doing so only if several players have raised and re-raised each other already. I've folded KK in that position in a tournament game before. If you raise pre-flop with QQ and get re-raised back for a lot more then I don't think you're really given much information, like you are when several people re-raise each other. You say that people don't make re-raises like that unless they have KK or AA, but how often haev you actually seen it since you don't call to find out? I make re-raises like that sometimes with any two cards.

Having said that I think I might say "fold" to your question, because I don't play cash games with that many blinds to begin with. If I did I would probably fold this hand and get off the table as I don't want to be playing against people who make those kinds of raises pre-flop, which can take me off most of the hands I'm raising with to begin with.

[POB666]

Why are we raising $5 preflop, is this the standard opening raise on this table?

I played at this level for ages and that is a fookin massive raise. Really.

[Dice Man]

I played at this level for ages and that is a fookin massive raise. Really.

I suppose the $5 raise could have been a re-raise. Somebody may have already raised to $1.50 and then you raise another $3.50 with QQ which seems fairly standard. Then they go all in for $75 more, gives you a bit of information they have AA or KK I suppose. But if I were that player and I had AA I would either flat call or raise to $18 total, since you want somebody with a strong hand to call it.

[Prowler]

$5 with qq is a small price to pay on those levels preflop as anything less generally gets called by any ace or a rag playing maniac.....a reraise gives ya bit of a decision but i wouldnt immediately assume AA or KK, although in the example i would fold to a tight player

how i got myself in that position would be the first thing i looked at? was i utg? on the button? why such a big raise? was there a loose player i knew would call?

i dont advocate raise,call or fold regardless on any hand (cept maybe aces) as every hand/table/game is different, but i do regard position,image and table reads as factors to how i play any hand so maybe a bit more info might give me reason to justify a call or explain why ya shouldnt of burnt $5