Live hand from a cash game

**waltypies** · 13th November 2006, 01:36 PM

Ok into a cash game last week.

Stacks are fairly deep thanks to a rich asian lad who was doubling people up due to some right donkey play and getting very unlucky.

Ok we have 8 players on the table and blinds are £1/£1.

I am one off the button.

Rough stacks are:

Waltypies £210 (had only showed 4 hands AA, AK, AQ, 10s)
Button £130 (Button only joined the table so no strong reads as yet)
SB £150 (asian lad, understood the game. Raising alot of pots, he found it hard to lay anything down really. Called draws etc)
BB £180 (very TAG player not really had to show hands)

Folds to waltypies who looks down J

9

.

So i raise to £4
Button calls
SB raises to £8
BB calls
waltypies calls
button calls

Pot £32

Flop comes J

, A

, J

,

SB bets £30
BB calls
waltypies calls (should i have raised)???
button folds

Pot £122

Turn 9

SB goes all in
BB goes all in
waltypies ????????

Thoughts on this please.

**T.G** · 13th November 2006, 01:56 PM

All in!!!!!

**badders** · 13th November 2006, 02:00 PM

fold i think he had jack ace

**waltypies** · 13th November 2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by T.G

All in!!!!!

Please explain

**POB666** · 13th November 2006, 02:04 PM

Because u said he has beeing raising a lot of pots and has lost a lot (possibly steaming) the SB range is obviously quite large. i think he could have anything from A7. The BB however is very suspicious just calling a raise and a re-raise. But obviously i dont have as good of read of them as you might. I think he may have AK or AA, u say he understands the game then IF he has flopped a boat he would try to milk u, which flat calling is a sign of, especially with a large raise. I would of raised his bet on the flop to about £90, im only calling that with a boat. I would call the all in and then see the SB has A9 and the BB AA

**FirePhil** · 13th November 2006, 02:06 PM

Wow. Not sure you can get away from that.

I guess I call and hope they have A

K

and KJ or something.

I don't mind the flat call on the flop, a raise probably only gets called by a better hand.

**POB666** · 13th November 2006, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by FirePhil

a raise probably only gets called by a better hand.

This then could possibly help u detrmine if u should fold to an all in on the turn

**FirePhil** · 13th November 2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by POB666

This then could possibly help u detrmine if u should fold to an all in on the turn

The SB has about £112 behind and the BB £142 after their flop bet and call. A pot sized raise would be £122, you aren't folding if you raise the flop.

Edit: Just read in your above post that you would raise to £90 for the reason that only better hands call. That doesn't seem like a good reason to raise to me and it's too much of your stack to raise for info IMO.

**waltypies** · 13th November 2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by FirePhil

The SB has about £112 behind and the BB £142 after their flop bet and call. A pot sized raise would be £122, you aren't folding if you raise the flop.

Edit: Just read in your above post that you would raise to £90 for the reason that only better hands call. That doesn't seem like a good reason to raise to me and it's too much of your stack to raise for info IMO.

Basically thats the reason for not raising the flop. If i had raised i am basically committed to the pot.

**POB666** · 13th November 2006, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by FirePhil

The SB has about £112 behind and the BB £142 after their flop bet and call. A pot sized raise would be £122, you aren't folding if you raise the flop.

Edit: Just read in your above post that you would raise to £90 for the reason that only better hands call. That doesn't seem like a good reason to raise to me and it's too much of your stack to raise for info IMO.

Ive just come back from my tea a re-read the full thread, i dunno if i mis-read the stacks or what but i can clearly see that me saying raise to £90 (wtf?) on the flop is wrong. But otherwise i stand by my original post