What do you do here?

[RevStu]

A reraise here with a dodgy flush and 7 other runners would be daft. You are quite right to call

There aren't 7 other runners, though - he said the big bet was folded round to him. A mediocre flush, on a board that screams "straight", is well worth raising. There's a decent case to be made for a call, but I'd fancy my chances of maximising my payout from someone with a straight or 2P or worse. Raising rather than calling gives you a chance of scaring off someone who might also have a beatable flush that's slightly better than yours.

1000 bet on a pot of 500 isn't a massive overbet, to me it's someone trying to steal a worthwhile pot with a hand that's probably decent but not the nuts, without overcommitting themselves if someone calls. I'd only bet double the pot there if I didn't want anyone else showing their cards...

[Matty H]

Ok, there aren't 7 now, but player 3 laid out the bet. That means the blinds behind you have still to act.

I've already stated my reasons several times in this post in depth but a quick summary:

Really in response to Woody he says he folds if his raise is reraised. Well my experience of these cheapy tourneys is that a reraise here is going to be met by an allin by the original player. The original player often doesn't care if he loses first hand as he can jump in the next one in two minutes time. He may well think that his straight will at least split the pot with you, and if it doesn't? Well at least he gave himself the chance to double his stack first hand. Why risk losing 2k here if you're not prepared to call a probable allin? When you can see for 1k and hopefully take the pot down.

[RevStu]

True, but that cuts both ways. I might well call a re-raise all-in with a flush on that board, certainly with only £5 at stake - make it a £100 game and it might be a different decision. There are four flushes better than yours and four worse, plus you beat any straight and any 2P that people might raise with. Pretty good odds. But like I say, it's mostly the size of the raise that makes me think the raiser's hand isn't THAT great.

[Prowler]

my main point was that with 2 other players to act you can ONLY call here, your already unsure of what the original bettor has and have no idea what the 2 behind you have either, all the previous checking has let everyone possibly make a hand of some sort and you got no idea where you are here.

for woodys question...

if you raise and the next player goes all in whats your play? say the last to act calls that all in, then what? what if the original bettor also calls the all in??? you dont know where you are already and to put more chips in a pot you got no idea is yours is a gamble you dont need to take at this point.

if you call and get reraised your probably gonna fold,if the 2 to act to either call or fold your still not g'teed to win the hand but its cost you 1000 to see

if ya raise and get reraised your probably gonna fold and again if the 2 to follow call or fold you might not win the hand but its cost you twice as much to find out and i dont think you win often enough in this position to make a raise a valid move

i'm not personally too happy even calling in this position but i think its better than folding or raising, its a very weak call and probably one a looser player with a lot of experience would be happier making as theres loads of time to recover the chips, a tighter player would happily let that go and wait for a better position to get the chips in

pity we dont know what the bettor's hand was, maybe you can ask next time ya see her.......

[Matty H]

Chriss, I asked these questions a page or two back. Woody folds to any reraise, a reraise I would bet is coming. I see why he folds to the reraise, but that's only because I don't think the raise is the right play anyway. I would also fold to my raise being reraised, and I would also be cussing myself for not flat calling.
If I flat call here and one of the blinds goes allin then I know exactly where I stand in the hand. If I raise and get one or two allins I get the same info but it's cost me another 1k chips