What do we do here?

[Thor2007]

I folded the queens and think I was behind at that point. Almost certainly to AA or KK.

The guy was fairly tight and for about 30 mins after this hand we played on with no re-raises or bets of this size, so I think I made a good lay down.

The guy was involved in two big pots, one he lost to a set when I was sure he had top two pair (Aces and Kings) and the other he won with a set and neither of those hands did he raise anymore than 4xBB.

[PokerWoody]

If you really think that he has KK or AA and were going to fold to his CB then you should have just folded preflop - you aren’t getting the odds to play for set value. People will CB 95% of the time after a preflop reraise in position so his flop bet really doesn’t mean much. I think getting a little over 2-1 the flop is a call even if we intended to fold to a big turn bet. If he checks behind on the turn then block/value bet the river.

[Thor2007]

Implied odds are massive here if I catch a queen, with no ace or king.

Prowler played a similar hand against me a week or so back.

He raised 4xBB, I reraised to 11xBB. Flop - 5 5 10 rainbow

He ended up taking all my money with tens full against my kings and fives.

[Prowler]

then about 15 minutes later trustme done exactly the same thing to thor, ROFL

[PokerWoody]

Implied odds are massive here if I catch a queen, with no ace or king.

Implied odds are not masive. You only have a little over $100 in your stack once you call and it costs you $9 to call.

Implied odds = about 12-1.

Odds of flopping a set are 7.5-1 but you won't stack him every time and sometimes when you do hit he will out flop you or outdraw you. I think you need more than this to make you're preflop call profitable.

[alexross1977]

looks like people agree with alex ross for a change. hell hath finally frozen

[PokerWoody]

looks like people agree with alex ross for a change. hell hath finally frozen

Well I only think folding preflop is better than calling preflop and folding the flop.

What are your views on the hand?

[alexross1977]

Well I only think folding preflop is better than calling preflop and folding the flop.

What are your views on the hand?

In for a penny... Big hands- maybe he had top pair ace kicker, maybe Tens maybe above - but I am calling or raising.

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[jjh]

You can't fold here really.. what's the point of calling with queens if you fold to a flop that is jack high, if you thought you were against aces or kings you should've folded pre flop.

I think Wuddle has hit the nail on the head there. With no A or K on the flop, then you are surely in a great position with QQ unless you fear the AA or KK, in which case you should fold pre flop and never have called the pre flop raise from a player as tight as he seemed.

((Basically just repeating Wuddle ))

[Thor2007]

I think I gained a little piece of info with the size of his bet on the flop.

$20 is a fairly large continuation bet, this was also factored into my decision to fold. I think he knows I have a hand here and that I was likely going to call, so he must have been strong, although maybe not stronger than queens.