Call or fold?

**PokerWoody** · 5th April 2006, 12:50 PM

SB is 43/19/0.75

Seat 1: MP ($208.25 in chips)
Seat 2: CO($37.12 in chips)
Seat 3: BTN ($249 in chips)
Seat 4: SB ($213.25 in chips)
Seat 5: PokerWoody ($303 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG ($197.13 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $1
PokerWoody: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to PokerWoody [A

T

]
UTG: folds
MP: folds
CO: calls $2
BTN: folds
SB: calls $1
PokerWoody: raises to $8
CO: folds
SB: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- [J

Q

9

]
SB: checks
PokerWoody: bets $14
SB: raises to $28
PokerWoody: calls $14
----- TURN ----- [J

Q

9

][8

]
SB: bets $177.25 and is all-in
PokerWoody: ???

**Raiser** · 5th April 2006, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by PokerWoody

SB is 43/19/0.75

what does that mean first?

**PokerWoody** · 5th April 2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by All In...No Outs

what does that mean first?

VP$IP = 43, PFR = 19, AF = 0.75. You can see the definitions for these terms in my other thread about playing 10k hands.

**FirePhil** · 5th April 2006, 01:16 PM

43/19/0.75? That's some odd stats and I think you need his WTSD and W$SD to explain the passive post flop play a bit more.

Any other reads on the player? I think I call here. If they've got the nuts you've still got 2 outs, just suck out on them

. I just can't see how jamming the turn with KT would be a good idea unless they've seen you pick off a few bluffs with mediocre hands in similar spots, 2 pair seems most likely to me.

**PokerWoody** · 5th April 2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by FirePhil

43/19/0.75? That's some odd stats and I think you need his WTSD and W$SD to explain the passive post flop play a bit more. Any other reads on the player?

WTSD = 36%
W$SD = 25%

No other reads on him. These stats were after about 25 hands so they are not totally conclusive. I play with quite a few LAP's, they are a very profitable breed.

**Prowler** · 5th April 2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by FirePhil

43/19/0.75? That's some odd stats and I think you need his WTSD and W$SD to explain the passive post flop play a bit more.

i agree, he's played this hand in contrast to what his stats tell you, flat call preflop, check/raise after the flop suggests a trap or an attempt to push you off, K-T is a possiblity but i'd lean towards 2 pair, possibly a set of 8's so i'm calling and hoping his boat dont come in!

**dancoles** · 5th April 2006, 01:53 PM

Just read the hand history and intrigued as to what he had.

I'd go with Prowler and say trips. k 10 seems very unlikely.

I take it you folded then?

**FirePhil** · 5th April 2006, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by PokerWoody

WTSD = 36%
W$SD = 25%

No other reads on him. These stats were after about 25 hands so they are not totally conclusive. I play with quite a few LAP's, they are a very profitable breed.

Against a player who appears to be that bad I don't think you can fold here. Bad players seem to commonly have a misguided mindset that you have to slowplay whenever you make a reasonable hand, regardless of how vulnerable it is.

**trustme** · 5th April 2006, 06:03 PM

Its such a big bet on the turn, theres only one hand that you could be losing to, K 10, it seems like a strange bet if they are trying to push you off a hand, why didnt they push on the flop , why wait til the gutshot appears on the board, surely thats the time to slow down and not push? Id call and expect a split pot and if not, as phil said, theres at least 2 kings for you to hit and take all the money.