a hand
6 ppl at the table all with around 1000 chips
blinds are 50/100 and everyone has called to the big blind
bb has j-j and raises to 200 which is called by all
flop comes A-J-Q all mixed suits
sb checks bb raises to 500 everybody folds
did the bb make the correct play? would you play it any different?
He had to make a bet with that flop, if anything it was a bit small, not even half the pot. Obviously no one else hit the flop so they all had to fold, but he would have been wrong to slow play it, it was not a flop where you'd want to give the other players a free card. So, he played it right imo
Agree with Steve. 5 others in the pot and all sorts of possibilities there. One of them could have flopped a straight. There were two potential over trips out there, plus many chances to make better hands on the turn and river.
Trip jacks had to bet there. If my maths is right (debatable) this guy (you?) would have had 300 left after the 500 raise? I would have gone all in rather than just bet 500 and forced someone to either gamble against me for all their chips, or chance I was beaten. I'm presuming this wasn't a cash game? If it was then forget that last bit as knowing my luck he'd have hit quads somehow
With 600 in the pot by the time it gets to him I think I push pre flop. I don't like the min raise at all, checking is preferable to the min raise.
As it stands I think he should push the flop instead of the small bet that he made. The problem with the adivce I have given is that is assumes the BB plays an aggressive game. I think that the BB is not an aggressive player.
The min-raise is awful, he's going to get 5 callers and be OOP against 4 of them. Just jam pre-flop.
On the flop with 1200 in the pot and 800 behind just jam. If anyone's played AA or QQ that badly pre-flop then so be it, if someone has KT he's not in too bad shape. Plenty people will call with ace-rag here.
BTW is this a rebuy or a turbo or something? You don't see a whole table evenly shortstacked often.
it was about the third hand in a sit and go and i was the bb, i dont trust J-J at the best of times and usually get caught out with them so i generally play them as a low pair and didnt wanna jam as it wasnt a rebuy and i had no idea what anyone had, the reason i asked was because after the hand i showed the cards and 2 people said i played way too strong post flop?
Why/how was everyone shortstacked on the 3rd hand of a sng? That has to be the worst structure ever.
Post flop given the stack sizes and the number of players to the flop it's pretty straighforward, either someone else hit the flop and you're both getting all-in or they didn't and you pick up the 1200 pot, i.e. you've doubled up. Slowplaying that flop would be stupid, the purpose of slowplaying is to let another player improve to a hand worse than yours. If the flop was J 2 3 you could give a free card, but A Q J and 5 others players there aren't many cards that will improve someone to a hand worse than trip jacks. A lot of hands pay you off here, don't give someone a free shot at an inside straight.
The problem with your min-raise pre-flop was that it didn't really have any purpose, no-one is going to fold. Either check or make a real raise, there's enough in the pot to make it worthwhile taking it down pre-flop. JJ doesn't play well in a multi-way pot post-flop unless you flop a set.
it was late in the evening and we didnt have a lot of time before the place closed so we played a fiver sng with 1000 startoff chips
and i totally agree about not wanting to see any more cards, i couldnt work out why the 2 thought i played it too strong,
Last edited by Prowler; 5th February 2006 at 05:26 PM.
i think you played it right,i mean how many times have you slow played it only to end up allin and lose
Easy...the two player are idiots.Originally Posted by Prowler
The mistake you made however wasn't post flop, I don't think the flop bet is anywhere near as bad as the pre flop min raise, especialy given the tourney set up. Post flop you are effectivley commiting all your chips but might get a loose call from a hand drawing thin to your trip jacks - such as a K9 or JQ. However the important point to take away is that the preflop min raise does nothing to help you, it only hinders you. Any hand strong enough to call before your raise is still strong enough to call your flop raise. In fact many players are being offered better odds to call your raise than they were to call the bet initaly. Now you have to play a big pot out of position, this is at the top of don't do's at the poker table.
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