Overpair facing check raise from LAG

[PokerWoody]

CO is 75/25/2.5

Seat 1: Button (US$143.04 in chips)
Seat 2: SB (US$16.27 in chips)
Seat 3: BB (US$50.69 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG (US$275.50 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG+1 (US$116.62 in chips)
Seat 6: CO (US$84.49 in chips)
SB: posts small blind US$0.50
BB: posts big blind US$1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Button [Th Td]
UTG: calls US$1
UTG+1: folds
CO: raises to US$2
Button: calls US$2
SB: calls US$1.50
BB: calls US$1
UTG: calls US$1
----- FLOP ----- [5s 7s 6d]
SB: checks
BB: checks
UTG: checks
CO: checks
Button: bets US$8
SB: folds
BB: folds
UTG: folds
CO: raises to US$34
Button?


All comments welcome.

[VancouverKarl]

I would probably fold.

If I had been making observations about his play then this would probably help my decision. He only raised a small amount before the flop. He could easily have a lower pocket pair and flopped a set. Or he could have been raising with suited connectors and hit the perfet flop. Even worse he could have a higher pocket pair that you and was raising to build the pot. Now he is reraising to protect his hand.

I would not put him on a flush draw. I dont see many playing online who check raise on a semi bluff , they would more likely lead out and bet.

Did you call?

[trustme]

thats a nasty one! So many hands that you could be up against, the best point for information is the raise of $26 dollars. The flop has left you with an overpair There are flush draws and straight draws. My thoughts are if they had made the straight they wouldnt want to bet you out of the pot, so you can take away the straight, even the draw and doubtful that they are going for a flush. Leaves me thinking that they have got one of four hands, either two pair, trips, top pair and an ace or an overpair, could be aces kings or jacks or even nines.

Now the tricky part, what to do, fold, call or raise. i would really want to raise and stick them all in but i play tournaments not cash and its quite a bit of money . there are just so many ways that a pair of tens could be losing after that flop that...that my brain is hurting trying to think of what i would do!!!! My head says fold but i think i would raise and let them decide if their hand is as good as they think, if they call i would love to see A7 in the hand with no spades, wouldnt like to see trips or a pair of kings etc.

All of this thinking is if they actually have a hand but the raise says dont call me so they could have nothing at all and be trying to steal the pot...which would be nice.

Lets us know soon the actual outcome.

[Terminator]

Really not sure what to think about this one. Like all the replies have said, the over pair is a good possibility, on the other hand, I would suggest that perhaps you are ahead at this stage, there is the possibility that they have hit top pair with a good kicker (A-7 already mentioned above), but maybe he is holding something like a pair of 8's giving him an over pair to the board and an open ended straight draw, they don't really want to see any more cards as they think they are ahead and don't want to get outdrawn. (I also thought maybe pocket 4's, but can't imagine they would risk such a raise).

[PokerWoody]

If I had been making observations about his play then this would probably help my decision.

Good point, I suppose it's only fair.

I hadn't been playing with the CO for very long, only about 10 hands so I didn't have very much to base my decision on.

The only had I have seen him show down so far is 64o on when he raised the a flop of Th 3s 6d. It was only a small raise in response to a minimum bet. After that the hand was checked down and he lost to a pair of tens.

[Top Pair Ace Kicker]

but maybe he is holding something like a pair of 8's giving him an over pair to the board and an open ended straight draw,

Ha! thats exactly the hand I put them on. either 8's or 9's. It seems to me to be a completely over the top bet screaming out "dont call me!" Could be he has hit trips though and is trying to knock you off the flush draw, but it says 8's or 9's to me.

As to what I would do, well I cant really comment, as I dont play cash games.

[PokerWoody]

Well I can't tell you what he had because I folded and I folded pretty fast. At the time it seemed a very standard and unexciting fold but as I thought about it I wondered if against that particular opponent I should have done anything differently.

Even against that sort of player I think a fold is correct after the check raise. The problem is that if I am ahead I am likely not ahead by very much, but if I am behind I am drawing very thin.

The bit I thought I may have done incorrectly was pre flop. On reflection I like raising his bet much more that calling it. What do you think? Who's with reraise and who thinks calling is best?

[trustme]

i would call his bet nine times out of ten. If i found trips on the flop i would be in good shape. Looking at the amount of people in the pot i would have raised when it came back to me, to try and get rid of some of the players and improve my chances, probably stuck in a pot size bet. A reraise could follow and that would give you a better idea as to how good your hand is.

Good fold btw, although you could have been in front with your hand the number of hands that could beat you is very high.

[PokerWoody]

i would call his bet nine times out of ten. If i found trips on the flop i would be in good shape. Looking at the amount of people in the pot i would have raised when it came back to me, to try and get rid of some of the players and improve my chances, probably stuck in a pot size bet. A reraise could follow and that would give you a better idea as to how good your hand is.

So your vote is for call. I didn't really understand what you said though . Are you saying call for set value because as there are a few people in the pot my implied odds should be quite good? And are you talking about betting the pot if it gets checked to me on the flop?

Good fold btw, although you could have been in front with your hand the number of hands that could beat you is very high.

Yes but a lot of hands I beat I am only marginally in front of or about even money. There are also a load of hands i'm behind and they aren't so close. Besides, I'd like him to get in the habbit of check raising me.

[trustme]

sorry if its a bit unclear, in a tournament at the moment. Trying to play and respond and confusing myself. What i meant to say is yes that i would call most of the time but i can also see a reason to reraise preflop and get less people in the pot.