I'll be honest !

[WLN]

Yeah, I've given up now !

Thanks for the honest feedback though. If anyone wants the domain name www.WinningLotteryNumbers.co.uk then please feel free to make sensible offers.

[Lotto4Pros]

i dont claim to be part of any gaming business but i know a scam when i see one, simple mathematics shows that vwd is making a fortune off the backs of people who think they are getting a great deal when in actual fact they aren't


you pay 5 pounds a week to enter 2 draws along with 48 other people, you all get the same 5 numbers plus 44 other numbers, once on wednesday and once on saturday, so 49 members x 5 pounds = 245 pounds, yet 44 lines x 2 draws = 88 pounds so where does the other 167 pounds go?

even if you do win it has to be a prize over 490 pounds to make it worth being paid out, anything less split between 48 other players amounts to less than 10 pounds which in the terms and condition states that any prize below 10 pounds will have a charge of 2.50 put on it!!! in effect you have to win over 500 pounds every fortnight just to break even??? and given that its still 1 in just over a million chance it aint gonna happen

Your information appears to be inaccurate. First of all their are 44 people in total in a VWD UK Lotto Syndicate. Therefore, playing twice a week equals 88 entries per syndicate. As you correctly mentioned each member pays £5/week for their syndicate fee. This is how the money paid to VWD is broken down:
Total amount paid by syndicate is 44 x £5 = £220
40% of this is used to pay for lotto entries 2 x 44 = £88
50% is used to pay the network in the form of commissions.
10% is used for additional bonuses, R&D, staff wages, rent.

So, unlike your protrayal of VWD pocketing all the money, the majority of it is actually paid back to the members in the form of commissions. I hope this helps.

Which brings me on my next point. When did you ever meet a lotto player who expected to cover his lotto fee with winnings every week? Do people who buy a ticket over the counter expect that? I think not.

Regards, Lee

[Prowler]

so basicly speaking, if 44 people made a syndicate and bought the tickets themselves they would have a far greater chance of winning due to the fact all the money they paid would go towards lottery tickets and not commissions and staff

as for expectation of winning, i'd far rather have 220 lines of lotto numbers for 5 pounds a week than 88 lines, as for a charge of 2.50 just to claim your winnings if its under 10 pounds, well just another way of snatching a few more quid off of people

dress it up however you want but at the end of the day vwd is milking people and just because its very small amounts people dont really care but as a whole they are making a hell of a lot of cash and offering a pretty weak system for the money

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oh and on the how it works page of the website itself it says there are 49 players and not 44, 44 is how many lines you get so it seems my original figures were correct and another 25 quid per syndicate goes to vwd for nothing using your example

[Lotto4Pros]

Well, it appears we both got our figures wrong. The correct figures are as you stated 49 people per syndicate and 44 lines per entry. But my point still stands that only a small proportion of the money goes directly into VWDs pocket.

You could of course do as you say and organise a syndicate where all the money goes on tickets. But who would organise it? I'm dam sure I wouldn't and certainly not for just £5 a week.

This argument comes up time and time again but the bottom line is although even if you did organise one syndicate this way, you couldn't do what VWD does and organise thousands of these syndicates all over the world. Provide everyone with a personal website for tracking their winnings and commissions. Email results, mail out winnings and commissions cheques, collect the payments, make the lotto entries etc. etc. etc.

So if you want to play in your own little syndicate fine. Personally I would rather earn a commission from thousands of people playing the lottery every week rather than take my chances on winning the lottery. Something that I have now been doing for some time. First it allowed me to afford a few little luxuries. Then it covered my car payment then my mortgage, then both. More recently it has allowed me to get married, buy a new car and have a much needed house extension.

VWD may not be for you but this is what you are 'stealing' from the people that you are openly bashing in this forum. I guess the world is full of 2 types of people, those who fear losing a few pounds and those who fear losing several thousand.

[Prowler]

Personally I would rather earn a commission from thousands of people playing the lottery every week rather than take my chances on winning the lottery.

and there we have it.....the real reason why people are offering you to join a scheme.....nothing to do with playing the lottery or even giving you a better chance, just a scheme to make a few people rich for little or no return!

[Lotto4Pros]

Oh dear! I really thought that I was dealing with intelligent people. It's called supply and demand. Are you saying that no one should ever buy anything because it will put money in someone's pocket?

I have over 2000 members in over 50 countries around the world. Most of whom I have never met. Most of whom signed up from the website without even so much as asking a question because they were more than happy with what they saw. Over 30% 0f which are players only and have no interest in building a business but play week after week because they see the value of the product.

Just because I personally chose to market it and make money from it doesn't make it wrong. Why do people go to work if not to make money? For most people it certainly isn't because they love their job

[Lotto4Pros]

and there we have it.....the real reason why people are offering you to join a scheme.....nothing to do with playing the lottery or even giving you a better chance, just a scheme to make a few people rich for little or no return!

Oh and you don't get ANYTHING for offering people the chance to join a scheme in VWD, nothing, squat, zilch. The whopping £4.99/year it costs people who want to join as an affiliate is non commissionable.

[Prowler]

Oh dear! I really thought that I was dealing with intelligent people. It's called supply and demand. Are you saying that no one should ever buy anything because it will put money in someone's pocket?

theres a difference between buying something and being ripped off, why pay 5 for something you can get for 2? just so greedy websites and middle men can take a commission?

I have over 2000 members in over 50 countries around the world. Most of whom I have never met. Most of whom signed up from the website without even so much as asking a question

i guess dealing with intelligent people is something you aren't used to

[Lotto4Pros]

theres a difference between buying something and being ripped off, why pay 5 for something you can get for 2? just so greedy websites and middle men can take a commission?

You can't compare the 2 like for like. VWD is marketing a system, NOT just lotto tickets. A system that increases your chances of winning, pays you out more per win than if you had the same numbers buying a ticket over the counter. And, yes you are paying them for that. BUT you are paying a fair price I would say. As I said if you are so confident that you could set it up yourself do it and I give you my word I will join your syndicate

i guess dealing with intelligent people is something you aren't used to

May be your right and they are all wrong

[Prowler]

You can't compare the 2 like for like. VWD is marketing a system, NOT just lotto tickets. A system that increases your chances of winning, pays you out more per win than if you had the same numbers buying a ticket over the counter.

actually it doesnt increase your chance at all, it lessens it, if a syndicate entered the lottery over the counter it would have 245 pounds worth of lines, using the same system as vwd (5 numbers +every other number) would cost 88 leaving a further 167 to invest in more lines, if they chose a different 5 numbers+every other number they could afford to do that too and still have money left over, in effect getting twice what vwd are offering and change!!! which by my terrible calculations means over the counter syndicates get double the chance of winning they are offered from vwd!

how does vwd buy the tickets? dont they just get them over the counter and keep the change?