Must we lose at roulette ?

[scepticus]

My answer to this question is NOT NECESSARILY .
All gambling is disadvantageous to the bettor so if you are not prepared to lose your money - don't bet !
Most of us like a punt, though , but unfortunately , so far as roulette is concerned, most bettors don't bet with the odds in mind.
Why ?
Because they have been brainwashed into thinking that " it's all a matter of luck "so why should they bother thinking about the problem if it's all a matter of luck ?
It's often argued that Probability Theory means that you are CERTAIN to lose .It does not. There are only two certainties in Probability Theory - 0% and 100 % and roulette is neither of these .
It is also argued that we cannot use previous winning numbers.This is untrue.
And - the Law Of Large Numbers means that over the long term Red or Black will
achieve it's average win rate .It doesn't .It s the percentage that "averages " not necessarily the individual Red OR Black. It seems that the odds are that one particular colour will indeed win more often than the other.Not being a mathematician , though , I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Each spin of the wheel gives a Random winning number.You can measure risk but you cannot measure uncertainty.
Until someone is bold enough, or stupid enough, to tell us how long their long run is we roulette players can bet away knowing that so long as we are aware of the odds against us we are as likely to win as to lose.
I don't claim that we will win only that we will not necessarily lose as the naysayers claim !

[Johnny's Amusements]

I would not say you MUST lose at roulette. It's just that chances are you will lose. This does not mean you can't win. Its just that the odds are stacked slightly against you.

[Playborne]

My answer to this question is NOT NECESSARILY .
All gambling is disadvantageous to the bettor so if you are not prepared to lose your money - don't bet !
Most of us like a punt, though , but unfortunately , so far as roulette is concerned, most bettors don't bet with the odds in mind.
Why ?
Because they have been brainwashed into thinking that " it's all a matter of luck "so why should they bother thinking about the problem if it's all a matter of luck ?
It's often argued that Probability Theory means that you are CERTAIN to lose .It does not. There are only two certainties in Probability Theory - 0% and 100 % and roulette is neither of these .
It is also argued that we cannot use previous winning numbers.This is untrue.
And - the Law Of Large Numbers means that over the long term Red or Black will
achieve it's average win rate .It doesn't .It s the percentage that "averages " not necessarily the individual Red OR Black. It seems that the odds are that one particular colour will indeed win more often than the other.Not being a mathematician , though , I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Each spin of the wheel gives a Random winning number.You can measure risk but you cannot measure uncertainty.
Until someone is bold enough, or stupid enough, to tell us how long their long run is we roulette players can bet away knowing that so long as we are aware of the odds against us we are as likely to win as to lose.
I don't claim that we will win only that we will not necessarily lose as the naysayers claim !

If nobody ever won at roulette, than it would not have been dubbed as King of Casino Games till now! this is more a superstition, rather than facts....

[Alvaro]

Of course not. Even though odds are against you, you can win in a short period of time. I'd say that you just have to know when to stop.

[Johnny's Amusements]

Of course not. Even though odds are against you, you can win in a short period of time. I'd say that you just have to know when to stop.

Correct.

[spin2win]

Theoretically you can play for your whole life and win millions of dollars/euros etc. It's just highly unlikely, that's all. The Casino advantage is rather small, therefore you can win large sums, especially if you play a short time only. The more you play, the more often you play "against the odds" which means that it is very likely that you lose in the long run and very unlikely (even though not impossible) to win

[scepticus]

Good point Alvaro though the problem is WHEN do you stop ? After a small profit or large ? I agree that we should have a cut off point whether winning or losing.

You fail to understand, Spin2Win , that your implication that we MUST lose in the long term is itself theoretical. Each spin being random means that nobody can tell with certainty what the result will be.Nor does your opponent having an edge mean that he will be certain to win ."LIKELY does not mean" CERTAIN".
All forms of gambling give the promoter an edge yet some people do win .How do we know that no one wins long term at roulette? If someone did the cynics would still be saying, at his funeral " Ah ! But he didn't wait for the long term ! "
How long is Long Term ? It is only a figure of speech until someone is rash enough to tell us how long their long term is. And justify it mathematically.It sounds intelligent until you question it and then there comes waffle.
"Round and round she goes
Where she stops at nobody knows
But the Lord
And HE won't tell "

[Bazzerfewi]

ROULETTE - I do not play roulette I have never been in a casino, BUT I am studying number sequence.

I have been running a system for a few weeks now, (over 2700 spins - over 900 wins) the object of which is to back to losing colour on the roulette wheel I HAVEN'T LOST YET THIS IS HOW IT WORKS

Pick a colour at random the betting patern is as follows

Start RED "1"- RED LOSES
Double Stake on RED "2"
Repeat the process until you win, the principle is to stick with the losing colour until you win doubling the stake every time
It is a little hair raising at times but the system has always worked for me "DOUBLE THE LOSS EVERY TIME UNTIL YOU WIN"

Go to the online casino and play in practice mode until you get the hang of it - start low and proof run the system for yourself.

"WARNING WHEN DOUBLING THE STAKE - IT SOON MOUNTS UP"

BE AWARE I would say Good Luck but Luck does not come into it be brave and back the loser every time until you win.

[scepticus]

Hi Bazzerfewi
The method you have described is a well known one but keeps cropping up in posts by "newbies"like yourself.
It is usually called "The Martingale System " It is best avoided.Think about it if you lose 8 in a row
Spin 1 1pt bet - loss !pt Lost
Spin 2 2pts bet - Loss 3pts lost
Spin 3 4 pts bet - loss 7 pts lost
Spin4 8 pts bet - loss 15 pts lost
Spin 5 16 pts bet - loss 31 pts lost
Spin 6 32 pts bet - loss 63 pts lost
Spin 7 64 pts bet loss 127 pts lost
Spin 8 128 pts bet-loss 255 pts lost

And that is assuming that you could bet that amount due to the table limits.
Each time you win your profit is 1 pt.
If you lose you would lose 255 pts so you would need to win 255 times to recover ONE loss.
Are you really prepared to lose even £127 to win £1 ?
I make two points here.
(1 ) Playing for real money is much different than playing for funny money. Try it and see.
( 2 ) Ask yourself the question-if it is as simple as that why isn't everyone doing it ?
No form of gambling is easy so don't be fooled . Keep playing with the funny money !

[MoneyBlowers]

some people have to lose, some win! house allways win, but on losers. I prefer winning.