Randomness control system

[jarvison]

I see a lot of member`s messages who dissatisfied by casino RNG.

How we can check that the arrangement of cards and numbers are completely random and have no connection to the size of bet?

Unfortunatly, I know just one way to check it.
It is Betvoyager Randomness control system.
This system allows to confirme the fairness of RNG, other words, to confirm the randomness of the game’s results.
Moreover, we can influence the random series that the server generates by cutting the deck or reordering the cards that are dealt.

There is quote from website about this system:
method is that the player receives the checksum of the sequence that he is going to play before he begins the play (in roulette he gets the numbers that the ball lands on, and in card-based games, he gets the deck.) The checksum is computed with the help of the SHA-256 algorithm that consists of 64 symbol codes (256 Bits),
As soon as the game is finished, the player will have access to all the elements of the earlier formed sequence. First of all, he can check whether the game was held according to the plan indicated in the sequence. Next, he computes the total sum of sequence on the basis of the SHA-256. If this sum is identical to the one received before he began play, he can confirm that the elements’ sequence which had been formed prior to the beginning of the game was in fact the one used in the game.

Any opinions about this system?

Unfortunatly, just Betvoyager casino connected to this system.

You can read more about this systen here
BetVoyager.com FAQ about Randomness Control

[ricarte]

I see a lot of member`s messages who dissatisfied by casino RNG.

How we can check that the arrangement of cards and numbers are completely random and have no connection to the size of bet?

Unfortunatly, I know just one way to check it.
It is Betvoyager Randomness control system.
This system allows to confirme the fairness of RNG, other words, to confirm the randomness of the game’s results.
Moreover, we can influence the random series that the server generates by cutting the deck or reordering the cards that are dealt.

There is quote from website about this system:
method is that the player receives the checksum of the sequence that he is going to play before he begins the play (in roulette he gets the numbers that the ball lands on, and in card-based games, he gets the deck.) The checksum is computed with the help of the SHA-256 algorithm that consists of 64 symbol codes (256 Bits),
As soon as the game is finished, the player will have access to all the elements of the earlier formed sequence. First of all, he can check whether the game was held according to the plan indicated in the sequence. Next, he computes the total sum of sequence on the basis of the SHA-256. If this sum is identical to the one received before he began play, he can confirm that the elements’ sequence which had been formed prior to the beginning of the game was in fact the one used in the game.

Any opinions about this system?

Unfortunatly, just Betvoyager casino connected to this system.

You can read more about this systen here
BetVoyager.com FAQ about Randomness Control

IMHO most online casinos would go broke if such an authenticated RNG could be implemented to ensure "fair play" at ALL times gaming online. Therefore I am not expecting any such system to see the light of day any time soon.

[alexczaj]

Hey guys

I'm an operator and new to the forum... I'm on my THIRD casino platform with my new site (in beta launch) [can't post the link but google (with quotes) "online supercasino" IF you care to check it out, hope this reference is allowed.. if not you'll cut it and i apologise in advance].

And here's the thing. You'd be AMAZED at what LITTLE degree operators have for screwing around with payouts etc. With my former proprietary platform, there was NONE (hell there was barely a backend!) With Boss, little, Microgaming, minimal, now on RTG practically none (we can set slots to loose or tight, 98.5% to 95%--and you CAN and WILL feel the difference so tight guys don't stay in biz long).

But to be able to say go loose on a wager above X... haven't seen it in the backends of the major platform providers. A good operator knows the odds are in their favor from the getgo, so screwing with the games like this just isn't done by reputable guys.

FEELS like it is, sometimes, and I HAVE heard tell of soem guys who say "let the first three hands win..." (supposedly), but then the word would be out in forums like this and the operator would get HAMMERED.

Stick with platforms you've heard of (or management staff youmay have heard of (please)); and the math will work in our favor and luck in yours I hoipe at least occasionally to keep us all in the game.

There should be no short cuts on either side... cheat me, I'll ban ya, if I cheat you, I don't have a business.

Good luck!

Alex Czajkowski

[KasinoKing]

IMHO most online casinos would go broke if such an authenticated RNG could be implemented to ensure "fair play" at ALL times gaming online. Therefore I am not expecting any such system to see the light of day any time soon.

I really can not understand that point of view
If the games are 100% totally fair & random the house always wins.
All casino games have a house edge - there is no need for them to cheat, as explained in more detail by alex:-

And here's the thing. You'd be AMAZED at what LITTLE degree operators have for screwing around with payouts etc. With my former proprietary platform, there was NONE (hell there was barely a backend!) With Boss, little, Microgaming, minimal, now on RTG practically none (we can set slots to loose or tight, 98.5% to 95%--and you CAN and WILL feel the difference so tight guys don't stay in biz long).

But to be able to say go loose on a wager above X... haven't seen it in the backends of the major platform providers. A good operator knows the odds are in their favor from the getgo, so screwing with the games like this just isn't done by reputable guys.

FEELS like it is, sometimes, and I HAVE heard tell of soem guys who say "let the first three hands win..." (supposedly), but then the word would be out in forums like this and the operator would get HAMMERED.

Stick with platforms you've heard of (or management staff youmay have heard of (please)); and the math will work in our favor and luck in yours I hoipe at least occasionally to keep us all in the game.

There should be no short cuts on either side... cheat me, I'll ban ya, if I cheat you, I don't have a business.

Good luck!
Alex Czajkowski

Totally agree with everything you said.
If only you knew how to use spell-check, I might trust you enough to try your new casino...

KK

[jarvison]

And here's the thing. You'd be AMAZED at what LITTLE degree operators have for screwing around with payouts etc. With my former proprietary platform, there was NONE (hell there was barely a backend!) With Boss, little, Microgaming, minimal, now on RTG practically none (we can set slots to loose or tight, 98.5% to 95%--and you CAN and WILL feel the difference so tight guys don't stay in biz long).

As I understood, it is possible to set payouts for games.
It is not fair, because the payout of the game depends only on the rules of the games and on payouts of winning combinations.
am I right?

[KasinoKing]

As I understood, it is possible to set payouts for games.
It is not fair, because the payout of the game depends only on the rules of the games and on payouts of winning combinations.
am I right?

Yes you are!

To my knowledge, of the 'big' software providers, only RTG give operators the option of changing the HA very slightly for just some games, not all. i.e. The HA of BlackJack is adjusted by the number of decks and the rules used, Video Poker, 3-card, Stud & Let it Ride poker, by the paytables, Slots by adding extra low-pay symbols to 1 or more reels to reduce the occurrence of big hits. But these adjustments are not done 'on the fly' by the operators, they have to ask RTG to change the settings.
(This has been confirmed by an actual RTG games development engineer).

But regardless of this, the actual game play is still totally random at RTG, just as it is at the other main softwares.

KK