Flaming Torch Roulette System

[Dice Man]

TBH I don't know anything about this particular system. But you seem to be suggesting that you're interested in predicting where the ball is going to land rather than trying to beat the house in a game of probabilities that is always in their favour. I don't see any reason why one cannot infer what area of the wheel the ball will land on just as it begins spinning. I suspect even that there are some players who have observed roulette wheels for years and found a correlation with what they observed at the very last instant at which they could place their bets, and the area of the wheel that came up. (although there are far far more, who only think they have done the correct observations, and are actually playing unprofitable strategies without ever being able to know).

One might say that if that sort of thing were possible then it would have already been publically demonstrated by a university's research group, but I doubt they'd be interested in anything where the main criterion of measurement is somebody's immeasurable instinct. They might be interested in testing somebody who has worked on such a skill for years, but they wouldn't bother to try to learn the skill themselves.

I doubt one could get much equity even from years of experience carefully observing spins, probably about the same amount that card-counters at blackjack can get within a few months of card-counting.

If I were to attempt such an experiment what I would probably do would be to get my own roulette wheel. I'd then record which number the ball started at (or which set of 3 numbers because it's hard to see clearly when they spin fast.) Then I'd get some sort of stopwatch which goes off 0.5 seconds after the ball is spun. When the stopwatch goes off I record whichever number the ball is currently in front of. Again, because it's very difficult to observe this you might have to settle for a set of 5 or more consecutive numbers on the wheel. Perhaps with practice you could get this down to 3 or 4. With those measurements you have some idea of the speed of the ball which is a crucial factor. Do about 10,000 trials total and extrapolate from the data the areas of the wheel where the ball is most likely to land given it travels an average of x numbers per 0.5 seconds, and I reckon that could be a winning system. Just.

[xworkerbee]

Dice Man,

Thanks for the reply. I am not necessarily interested in predicting where the ball is likely to land (although that would be nice if it could be done) I am imost interested in roulette betting systems that can offer the best potential return on the minimal amount of wager.

[Dice Man]

All the bets are the same.
You bet on a colour or odd/even you get odds of evens with only 18/37 chance of success.
You bet on a column you get odds of 2:1 with only 12/37 chance of success.
You bet on a row you get odds of 11:1 with only 3/27 chance of success.

etc...
etc...

They are all the same. Any combination of them is the same. You will always only see a return of 36/37 of your money in the long term, no matter where you put the money.

[TylerStroud]

Originally Posted by Dice Man

If I were to attempt such an experiment what I would probably do would be to get my own roulette wheel. I'd then record which number the ball started at (or which set of 3 numbers because it's hard to see clearly when they spin fast.) Then I'd get some sort of stopwatch which goes off 0.5 seconds after the ball is spun. When the stopwatch goes off I record whichever number the ball is currently in front of. Again, because it's very difficult to observe this you might have to settle for a set of 5 or more consecutive numbers on the wheel. Perhaps with practice you could get this down to 3 or 4. With those measurements you have some idea of the speed of the ball which is a crucial factor. Do about 10,000 trials total and extrapolate from the data the areas of the wheel where the ball is most likely to land given it travels an average of x numbers per 0.5 seconds, and I reckon that could be a winning system. Just.

Make a website, fake a video, get all of us lot to post Testimonials, then sell that shit on eBay and get rich!!

[rfph1]

Never played roulette (and never will - the odds are simply against you). But, it strikes me that the only 'system' that might work would be one that took advantage of a defect in the wheel (and no wheel is perfectly balanced), therefore beting on the numbers that come up should result in betting on any 'bias' numbers. To make a profit the wheel balance would need to be off to an extent adequate to offset the 1/37th house edge - seems unlikely in any decent casino !
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[xworkerbee]

Originally Posted by rfph1

Never played roulette (and never will - the odds are simply against you). But, it strikes me that the only 'system' that might work would be one that took advantage of a defect in the wheel (and no wheel is perfectly balanced), therefore beting on the numbers that come up should result in betting on any 'bias' numbers. To make a profit the wheel balance would need to be off to an extent adequate to offset the 1/37th house edge - seems unlikely in any decent casino !
rf

A lot has been written about the pros and cons of roulette wheel biases and tendencies and most writers agree that almost all wheels used in casinos are essentially bias and tendency free. While no wheel may be 100% balanced and defect free, whatever inbalance or defects exist are inconsequential to the performance of that wheel in producing random results. You can be certain that a wheel that was signifcantly out of balance or defective enough to start producing bias or tendency towards certain numbers would be yanked out of service immediately. Casinos rely on the randomness of roulette.

[rfph1]

Originally Posted by xworkerbee

A lot has been written about the pros and cons of roulette wheel biases and tendencies and most writers agree that almost all wheels used in casinos are essentially bias and tendency free. While no wheel may be 100% balanced and defect free, whatever inbalance or defects exist are inconsequential to the performance of that wheel in producing random results. You can be certain that a wheel that was signifcantly out of balance or defective enough to start producing bias or tendency towards certain numbers would be yanked out of service immediately. Casinos rely on the randomness of roulette.

...dont dissagree, just saying this would be the only way you could possibly improve your odds (by an incredably small ammout if the casinos are doing thier job properly)

[aaron1005]

I don't quite see the point in what the hell you're on about.
I just avoid playing roulette because you have to put on a lot to try and win a lot, the odds are against you, I just stick to playing blackjack whilst on a break from poker.

[xworkerbee]

While I appreciate all the personal comments about the game on this thread, my objective was to determine if someone out there was familiar with the betting sequence used in this Flaming Torch System. From what I can gleen from sites that discuss this system is that it uses a betting wager of 35 units in order to generate a 45 unit win. Posting comments that you don't play roulette is kind of pointless on a forum that discusses roulette. If you know this system and are willing to discuss it in detail with me, either post a reply here or send me a PM.