Random Thoughts on Roulette

[DannyC]

Steve they have happy hour and happy nights here at G casino, but it still doesnt technically beat the house edge, as per rules at G Casino:

1) You have to choose one number as your lucky number when you enter the casino

2) You cannot change that number for the night

3) You have to bet on that number EVERY spin, otherwise it wont be your lucky number

4) You cannot share a lucky number with another person

5) 0 cannot be a lucky number

6) Neighbour Betting does not count

So they havent just said you can have odds of 40/1 for the crack, they have looked at and devised this 'scheme' without altering the house edge too much.

[Dice Man]

If I was there in London I would be playing this all night every night as long as it's going. Although to be honest, the fact that they are doing this slightly suggests that their own wheels are rigged in favour of the house (i.e. even more in favour of the house). Unless they just kick you out after you've played on there for a bit? It doesn't make any sense because the people that article associates with being young poker players are only going to play roulette while this offer is on. I doubt they are going to attract anybody to play it when the promotion has gone. Unless they are doing it just because it gets people in the casino at all? Like business that sell a few products at a loss to get customers in and buying their other profitable products (inc. drinks and tips for the casino).

Also DannyC, I don't see why any of those rules you mention would detract from this promotion giving the player an edge? What's wrong with just betting the same number all night?

[Steve A]

It's only an hour's play every night from the look of it Dice, midnight to 1.00am with 1 number being chosen each night to give the 40-1 odds during that time. How many spins of a wheel will take place in 30 hours? (promotion only runs through June). Enough to give a big enough sample to make it possibly profitable? If they're managing a spin a minute that's still only 1800 spins throughout the course of the promotion.

[fergus lee]

I have a life outside the net so this exlpains my delay in replying.
I haven't ignored you Steve just your putdowns.I also disagree with our earlier point that you cannot use previous numbers in trying to forecast the next winning number.Roulette is abouit numbers so it seems perverse to say that yoiu cannot use numbers.Who first said this and what is the justificatiion for it.?
Tut, tut Diceman chastising me for rounding down rather than up is nitpicking.Masturbating your Ego no doubt.Rounding up is a convention nothing more.
Once again I was less than clear.What was meant was that the calculation of the 16 numbers showed that there should be 320 winning bets from 1369 bets and multipying the 1369 x8 gives 10952and one chip on the winning 320 bets x36 gives 11520 and thus a profit of 568 which equates to 5.18%I never explained how I got the eight numbers-just like my previous
failure to explain how I got the ten numbers.My apologies for this.

O.K. I have made a Pig's Ear of some of my posts which comes from thinking (or not thinking )as I am typing. This doesn't invalidate my argument so I suggest that I go back and put my points one by one and you declare whether or not you agree.This way I'll need to be more careful in my posts and you will be able to point out where I have gone wrong.
Let uis start with what should be uncontoversial-the End Product
First question.

In an earlier post you listed my suggested bets .I said that when any of the four numbers in any one line was the previous winning number you should bet , on the next spin only, the other numbers in that same line and put only one chip on each number.

Do you fully understand this,Diceman ?

[Dice Man]

First question.

In an earlier post you listed my suggested bets .I said that when any of the four numbers in any one line was the previous winning number you should bet , on the next spin only, the other numbers in that same line and put only one chip on each number.

Do you fully understand this,Diceman ?

You need to be more clear still. Your original theory with Andy and Bob had them each betting on 20 numbers. Then if I understood correctly, the second theory had one of them betting on the same 20 while the other bet on the 16 numbers he hadn't been betting previously. So what is this new theory where they only bet 8 numbers? This just gets ever more confusing.

And are you asking me whether I agree that we ought to bet on those 8 numbers? Because to me the answer is clearly no. So double-no, I don't understand which theory you are using (40, 32 or 8 bets), or why you are doing it.

[Dice Man]

It's only an hour's play every night from the look of it Dice, midnight to 1.00am with 1 number being chosen each night to give the 40-1 odds during that time. How many spins of a wheel will take place in 30 hours? (promotion only runs through June). Enough to give a big enough sample to make it possibly profitable? If they're managing a spin a minute that's still only 1800 spins throughout the course of the promotion.

Ah OK I didn't realise this much. If you managed to play every minute of this promotion (which is unlikely because it's probably packed at this point, and priority would be given to those still sitting at the table before it started who were donking at the usual rate) and you could get in a spin a minute then you'd expect to make 146 bets over the month. If you bet £5 a time you'd make £730 and £24 per hour. You'd have a 72.2% chance of making any profit or breaking even (regardless of what stake you bet, as long as it's fixed). I suppose it depends on what the maximum bet is as to whether this is worth it.

[geoff365]

40/1 need to walk in with 36 mates and play the max per number.

[DannyC]

40/1 need to walk in with 36 mates and play the max per number.

Max 8 players at a table...

[fergus lee]

I am taking one step at a time Diceman and you are going one or two steps ahead.
At this stage I am not asking you to agree with my theory that will come later.
At this point all I am asking you is if you understand the basic question I posed.e.g.
According to the list which you seemed to understand if the last winning number was 2 then you should bet only the numbers 21-24- 27 -19-22-25-28 .For one spin only and with only one chip on each number.Do you understand this? The reasoning will come later.
My question remains to be answered.

[Dice Man]

OK so I understand that we are now using this strategy.


If 14/17/20/23 was last then they bet on 2-5-8-26-19-20-21-22-23-24
If 15/18/21/24 was last then they bet on 3-6-9-27-19-20-21-22-23-24
If 25/28/31/34 was last then they bet on 1-4-7-10-19-22-25-26-27-28
If 26/29/32/35 was last then they bet on 2-5-8-20-23-25-26-27-28
If 27/30/33/36 was last then they bet on 3-6-9-21-24-25-26-27-28
If 1/4/7/10 was last then they bet on 20-21-23-24-26-27
If 2/5/8/11 was last then they bet on 19-22-25-28-21-24-27
If 3/6/9/12 was last then they bet on 19-20-22-23-25-26-28
If 13/16/19/22 was last then they bet on 2-3-5-6-8-9-26-27