Roulette- why you can't ever constantly win.

[fergus lee]

Hi Guys
Phew! ain't it hot in here ?
Thanks for your concern JJB I trust Steve but definitely not his reasoning ! 81/1 advantage ? ? I think not !
I think mathematicians pontificate while sitting on the fence when they claim that roulette can't be beaten "in the long run ".This long run is undefined.If a method won over a one year, five year or even a fifty year period they would still claim that you couyldn't win "in the long run ".Ask one to put a time scale on his long run and he will evade answering.
Again they claim that you can't forecast wining numbers or groups of numbers.This is plainly nonsense.Any competent one could devise you a system for ,say, dozens that would GUARANTEE eleven doubles in an average 37 spins (even I could do that ) but what they or I can't do is guarantee a profit because it would entail staking more than you would likely win.So, I reiterate again that overcoming the casinos edge is the real problem !
Why do I persist in " chasing an illusion " ? Because even Einstein couldn't crack it !And many people can beat the horses can't they. You are right ,of course, betting on the horses is easier .But , for me .less fun.
Once again thanks for your concern.

[fergus lee]

Hi Guys
Phew! ain't it hot in here ?
Thanks for your concern JJB I trust Steve but definitely not his reasoning ! 81/1 advantage ? ? I think not !
I think mathematicians pontificate while sitting on the fence when they claim that roulette can't be beaten "in the long run ".This long run is undefined.If a method won over a one year, five year or even a fifty year period they would still claim that you couyldn't win "in the long run ".Ask one to put a time scale on his long run and he will evade answering.
Again they claim that you can't forecast wining numbers or groups of numbers.This is plainly nonsense.Any competent one could devise you a system for ,say, dozens that would GUARANTEE eleven doubles in an average 37 spins (even I could do that ) but what they or I can't do is guarantee a profit because it would entail staking more than you would likely win.So, I reiterate again that overcoming the casinos edge is the real problem !
Why do I persist in " chasing an illusion " ? Because even Einstein couldn't crack it !And many people can beat the horses can't they. You are right ,of course, betting on the horses is easier .But , for me .less fun.
Once again thanks for your concern.

[Scott]

We do we always end up back here?

Of course you can win at routlette else no one would play.. you can often win very large sums from little initial 'investment'.

What you can NOT do is overcome the house edge or develop a system that guarantees you win in the long run..

The best idea is to go for the quick kill.. win some decent bets and walk whilst you are up.

My method these days is to place about £60-£100 in £5 chips on some random numbers and corners so I end up with about £250 if one of my well covered numbers hits.. of course I could just put the £100 on a dozen and it would be the same thing I guess..

The fact is there are no real systems and it pure luck

[Scott]

on another point, if you do try and beat roulette or get greedy you will get fackin fleeced. trust me.

[jjh]

"Fergus, I wouldn't give this Steve character the time of day. He has just proven what he's upto by linking to another site- he proably sells his 'strategy' on ebay or something like that."

Don't judge people before you know them! I wish we could meet face-to-face and you'd find you'd be the one with egg on it!!

The link I gave you - if you care to check it out - is just a Roulette Forum with members who actually support each other - absolutely nothing to do with links or selling or spamming etc. Just a neat group of like-minded people who want to help others win at roulette with FREE strategies! Just check it out and see. Have a look at my reputation there or ask some of the members about me. If you haven't already done this then you have no right to pass any judgement on me and my character. I came here to help, and since I DON'T sell strategies I was going to offer this Forum free information to help them develop their strategies. However you've stuffed it up for everyone with your pre-judged remarks. You silly, silly little man!
Nothing gets me more angry than closed-minded people who think they know it all and can give others advice about people they don't know.

Please feel free to check e-bay for any sales talk and you'll find none! As I said my strategy is not for sale. Can I make it any plainer for you? IT'S NOT FOR SALE! I was going to offer it free!

Cheers
WRX

OK Steve, well just share the strategy instead of talking bollocks. I mean I quote you here-

"I know you'll say the wheel has no memory of past events and I have to agree but we, as humans, do have a memory! Think about it. The whole secret lies within that concept..." Erm, wtf does this mean?

You haven't beat roulette, you never will, we all know that, stop pretending you have!

You may well study hard to try and beat the game but I can tell you now, you are wasting your time.

[jjh]

Just add, this is nothing personal, I just see someone blatantly deluding themselves thinking they can overcome the house edge based on mathematics, when it is mathematics that proves you cannot win in the long run-

[jjh]

"I know you'll say the wheel has no memory of past events and I have to agree but we, as humans, do have a memory! Think about it. The whole secret lies within that concept..."

I like this quote, I really do! It sounds great but is COMPLETE and utter nonsense in the quest for beating roulette.

OK, last two spins have been both black numbers, the two before that both landed on zero, as a human I remember this yet can't quite see how it gives me any inclination as to what number or colour will come out next...and it doesn't, past numbers don't have any bearing as to what will occur on the next spin...

I'm sorry, it is laughable Steve.

[fergus lee]

Hi Guys
Two different opinions do you think ?
I'm inclined to agree with JJB, Steve.that your arguments get wierder.Heed the old adage "If you find yourself in a deep hole, stop digging "
On the other hand JJB, I agree with Steve that roulette can be beaten.Despite what you think maths doesn't prove it.No one, but no one , can foretell the future accurately.Except the usual suspects,Death and Government taxes .As J.K.Galbraith put it "In the long run we are all dead " Why isn't it possible tp win "in the short term" ?Surely this is our aim .To win in our lifetime ?

I agrre that your view is the accepted norm but it is , when you think about it, only speculation.There is no mathematician who will define his "long run ".Probable, yes,but certain ?No Ask them and see .
I think we have gone far enough with this now,don't you think ? It is unlikely that we will ever agree.
Regards to you both and Happy Punting!

[jjh]

Hi Guys
Two different opinions do you think ?
I'm inclined to agree with JJB, Steve.that your arguments get wierder.Heed the old adage "If you find yourself in a deep hole, stop digging "
On the other hand JJB, I agree with Steve that roulette can be beaten.Despite what you think maths doesn't prove it.No one, but no one , can foretell the future accurately.Except the usual suspects,Death and Government taxes .As J.K.Galbraith put it "In the long run we are all dead " Why isn't it possible tp win "in the short term" ?Surely this is our aim .To win in our lifetime ?

I agrre that your view is the accepted norm but it is , when you think about it, only speculation.There is no mathematician who will define his "long run ".Probable, yes,but certain ?No Ask them and see .
I think we have gone far enough with this now,don't you think ? It is unlikely that we will ever agree.
Regards to you both and Happy Punting!

Hi Fergus, I take your points on board.

Although I think I can rest my case though when you say-

"Despite what you think maths doesn't prove it.No one, but no one , can foretell the future accurately"

To beat roulette, you effectively need to be able to predict the future. Read on and hopefully I can convince you roulette cannot be beaten.

-A roulette system aims to defeat the house edge by working out which numbers are more likely to occur, thus creating 'value' when you bet. Value, is what longterm betting is all about. This is fine up to now, it is a sensible approach and with a bit of study, we can try and create value...

-The house edge exists because if we back every number on the table, the number zero creates small edge for the casino, so we would get most of our money back everytime, but in the LONGRUN, you would lose consistantly.

- So the aim is to tryand create a system which can find what numbers or bunch of numbers are more likely to occur than others, thus we can back these numbers or colours etc and the hous edge is overcome. BUT...

- And here's the BIG BUT, each outcome is irrelevant to the last, probability might mean the number 10 comes out 5 times in a row, but the chances of it happenining on the next spin are still the same everytime.

- People see these clusters of results and think they are onto something, but the fact is the sample is far too small and is just a blip on a gigantic set of results which make people feel a pattern is emerging. This is nonesense.

- You can play 2/1 bets in roulette but it isn't like horse racing where you can weigh up various factors such as form, stats, going, trainers, jockeys and try and evaluate whether the 2/1 is a value bet. In roulette, you only have the last spin to work from, which we have already established doesn't affect the next spin...this fact alone combined with the overall house edge means it is impossible to try and create a system that can work out value bets.

- In the short term, you can win at roulette. You could put £10 on zero and it might come in, but trying to make consistant profit is impossible. There's no room for argument, it just simply is not possible.

[fergus lee]

Hi JJB
Rest your case ? I don't think so !
THE FUTURE.
All gambling is about the future.You don't have to be accurate.What you seek is profit .You back horses. You don't always win, but you show profit.The whole point of Probability Theory is to try to guess the future whether its roulette, horse betting , the Stock Market etc.
THE HOUSE EDGE
is 2.7 % against the punter.You would be so lucky if the bookies overround was as low as that ! Punting on the Stock Market has its costs too !
THE LONG RUN
Until the long run is defined it is irrelevant.In the long run we are all dead, and the planet will destruct .We don't worry about that do we ? Why not ?Bercause its irrelevant in our daily lives.When you or anyone else defines the long run then, and only then, is it worth considering.Don't meekly accept what mathematicians say .Think !
PREDICTION
If betting the dozens in roulette any competent mathematician could devise a system GUARANTEEING eleven doubles in the average 37 spins.If that isn't picking winners I don't know what is. The problem is the odds.As a horse bettor you must know that you have often PICKED the winner but did not back it because you did not get fair odds .True ?
ONLY THE LAST NUMBER TO GUIDE ME ?
Not true ! Its easy to concoct an argument,ascribe it to someone
else, then demolish it. Shame on you JJB !
IMPOSSIBLE ?
When mathematicians talk of something as being impossible they quite often mean only that it is extremely unlikely.NOT IMPOSSIBLE as we in the real world understand it.
BIAS
Why the bias against roulette punters ?Because of a mindset ! Don't think for yourselves lads ,join the gang.THere's safety in numbers THat seems to be the motto .
Anyway JJB ,good luck with the punting !

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